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my first ever retouch...was fun
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This is my first ever dedicated retouch, so i did not try to get everything done, just the basics i.e get a uniformed look.
I must have used about a million layers on this thing so im obviously lacking in many techniques for addressing the different kinds of problems in an economical and practical way.
Please give me advice/tips on what i could and should have done, cos as i said....im only a virgin, so be gentle - thanx all.

these are the "approximate" steps (if i can remember that is!) i took in getting this image done:

1: replaced blue channel with green using the channel mixer to clean up cast. (first thing i learned when reading users descriptions)
2: made a number of alpha channels to isolate different parts of the image.(shirt, body, background etc)
3: used levels to even out tonal cast/contrast on background
4: used a combination of channel mixer, curves, hue/sat, colour balance to get rid of multicolour cast on shirt(well i tried anyway)
5: used colour range to select background and applied the resulting selection to a mask used with a solid colour adjustment layer in hue mode, then worked on by painting on the mask itself.
6: made 'repair' layers for face and arms - I sampled a colour for the skin, blurred it and used soft light, screen and opacity ( along with layer options sliding bars), some localised blurring and sharpening to mix it in.
7: a touch of high pass sharpening.
I know this picture needs a lot of work on other things like addressing the noise issue in the background etc, but i thought id go one step at a time....even if i did overkill on the layers/channels.

All opinions welcome - good and bad - i just wanna learn.
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Timbo

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Registered: July 2004
Location: Sheffield UK
8/5/2004 9:44am

For a first time........or second, third.........
Great job. I especially like the way you have removed the blurring from her right arm. Nice one.

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Tom Trevelyan
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Registered: May 2002
Location: North Wales, UK.
8/5/2004 10:13pm

If this really is a first ever - it is pretty damn good! I looked at the colours using the eyedropper tool and I think the skin on her face still has a magenta colour cast. According to Katrin Eismann in her book on Restoration And Retouching (p. 78 in my edition) a baby with light skin has equal amounts of magenta and yellow and no cyan. With age the yellow increases and cyan adds the suntan. You have a dominance of magenta throughout.

I think the leaves have a cyan cast.

I had the same problem - and unlike you, I did so much work on the poor girl it started degrading the image.
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Tom Trevelyan
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8/5/2004 10:17pm

Oh - and one of the other submissions was from someone who knew that the Texas University colour (sorry - color) is orange.
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case
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Registered: January 2004
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8/6/2004 11:38am

Yes Tom, this really is my first stab at this retouching lark.
Thanx for the tips on skin tone. To be honest, as this was my first try, i did not attempt to get everything "absolutly right" I just wanted to make a mark improvment to the original image. Then as i do more projects and gather more tips and techniques; i will feel more comfortable with trying to be more concise with tackling a project full on. thanx again
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8/6/2004 11:46am

Also i may try to address the overall magenta problem later (and perhaps the cyan). Maybe i should get a sample off the wall (grey) or shirt (white) to assess how much maganta i should get rid of.
What does anyone think, is this a way to go about it, or is there a better way?
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Tom Trevelyan
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8/6/2004 9:02pm

First use the Color Sampler Tool to sample the skin at four different places.

This gives you readings in the Info Palette which helps you track what is going on.

You don't have to do this but it helps. Clicking on the eyedropper icons in the info palette lets you change the sample readings to CMYK.

You can also just drag the Eyedropper Tool over any are and watch the readings change in the Info Palette.

Then there are two choices.

The first is to select the skin roughly using the Lassso Tool, or perhaps Color Range command. Then use the Selective Color command, preferably via an adjustment layer but alternatively Image/Adjustments/Selective Color. Skin is always predominantly red so you can use this command to reduce the amount of magenta in the reds which will do the trick.

The second is not to make a direct selection at all but to use the Hue/Saturation command. Select red from the drop down menu. Now close of all the reds in the slider bar at the bottom of the menu. Then shift drag through the skin and this will select your skin tones. Remember to hold the shift key down. Once you have done that you can alter the skin tones using the hue, saturation and lightness sliders.

This is for Photoshop. I guess it is similar in PSP8 or Eements, but I don't know.
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Tom Trevelyan
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8/6/2004 9:04pm

Sorry about spelling. its area and Lasso
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Tom Trevelyan
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8/6/2004 9:05pm

You can even use the Magic Wand, but Deke Mclelland will want to smack your bottom for that.
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case
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8/6/2004 9:38pm

Im sorry Tom, i dont quite understand what you mean by "close of all the reds" in the slider bar in hue/sat. Also is the instruction for holding the shift key down the same function as using the eyedropper +.
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Tom Trevelyan
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8/7/2004 1:00am

O.K. Sorry. Never Mind, I wasn't too clear.

When you open the Hue/Saturation dialog box, at the top of it there is a Pop Up menu and you will see the word Master in the box. If you click on the downward pointing arrow at the right of the box, you see the list of colors, Reds, Yellows, Greens, Cyans, Blues, Magentas. Click on the red choice. Miraculously at the bottom of the box between the two multicoloured color stripes two vertical bars appear with gray between them. Also two half arrows further out which control the fall off. That gray area determines what counts as red and between the little vertical bars and the half arrows is a tapering off zone where the colors are partially selected. You can slide the two vertical bars and the half arrows together which means nothing is selected as red any more. Now if you click on the girl's face you will see the two bars jump to a new position, representing the red you clicked on. Then if you shift drag through the face the bars will separate out and a range of colors will be selected. If you don't shift drag you just select a new single color every time you click on the face, which you don't want to do. You want all the colors in the face. If you select a color you don't want you can remove it by Alt clicking and dragging too. Once you have done that you can move the Hue slider near the top of the dialog box to shift the color of all those reds you have selected - and nothing else. That's the beauty of it.

Gosh. And of course, if you do it with an Adjustment Layer selected from the bottom of the Layers Palette you can always go bak and play around some more.

My terminology isn't too good but I hope you get it because it is a great way to adjust colors.

Best of luck.
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Tom Trevelyan
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8/7/2004 1:12am

This is in Photoshop. I've just checked that it works with Photoshop Elements. After shift dragging through your photograph's face I moved the Hue slider to the right, to a value of about + 10.
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case
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8/7/2004 9:54am

thanx. i'll try that later on. You seem to know a lot , do you work professionally with photoshop?
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