Does anyone know of a good tutorial that shows how to make a thin lip fuller?
I found some good ones on enhancing color, but none that have been good for making lips fuller.

I tried bloating the upper lip, but it just looks terrible. I also tried copying and pasting the upper lip in another layer and moving it up 10px and cloning in the missing bits, but that looks terrible as well.

This link is to a PSD of the file I am working with:
http://www.mbstia.com/testing/biggerlips.psd

rnb,

it's really not much of a job. in paint shop pro 9 (dont know about 8, but 7 doesnt have this), you can use the warp mesh tool. i think this is somewhat equivalent to the liquify tool in Photoshop. i made a tight, small mesh and simply adjusted the mesh points around the upper lip. hit apply. then i did it one more time because of the way the tool works and it didnt get all i wanted the first time. after that, i simply cleaned up the edges a bit with push and clone.

is this what you wanted?

Craig

edit: it's a bit uneven, but the idea comes across, i think.

you could also just paint, clone, push, or smudge them from scratch to achieve a similar effect. i just like using the warp tool :)

Craig,

Yes, that's exactly what I am after.
I've never made a mesh in Photoshop CS2. I will have to do some reading up on how to better use the Liquify tool. When I did it, I used the bloat tool and it just looked hideous!

Thanks for having a go at the lips.

If I were to use the clone tool, how do I get a good definition of the lip outline? Should I still copy the upper lip portion onto a different layer and move it up?

Still working on it...

the warp mesh is a bit easier for stuff like this than the clone, but, if you do want to use the clone, borrow from the lower lip. set the opacity of the brush fairly low to start and just dab in one place till you see what it's going to look like. by dabbing in the same place you'll get more and more cloned image showing up and it wont smudge that way. remember, once you set the clone tool, that point is ALWAYS the reference point until you set it again. so, even if you move the brush after laying clone in one spot, even if you come back later to that same spot you will be cloning on the same part you were at the start, as long as you dont move the reference point by resetting the point.

build things up how you want them and dont worry too much about if you're not getting a perfect shape on the top lip. you just want the color and texture to be there in the right amounts. oh, and it would be best to do this on a separate layer, over the original.

once you have color and texture there, you can clean up the edges two ways if you used a layer for the cloned parts. you could simply use the eraser and erase parts to get your final lip edge, or, you could use a high opacity smudge or a low opacity push, or even a clone, cloning from the skin above the upper lip.

it's pretty straight-forward. i dont know what Photoshop CS2 uses. i know they have liquify and i would guess some others. yes, bloat sounds wrong ;) it just sounds wrong. dont ya wish there was a botox tool? :)

Craig

Craig,

Thanks so much for taking the time to explain the procedure to me.

Yes, I wish there was a Botox and a Collagen tool... perhaps I should tell the Photoshop Development team... ha ha!

you're welcome. i hope you got the results you wanted.

how's your music going?

Craig

Yeah I am still working on it.

Music is going good. Been finishing up my voiceover and film work and will be working on my new album full-time in late Oct. Hope to have a Spring/Summer '06 release and be on the road again. I miss touring!

Thank you for asking :)

that's great! what's the voiceover and film?

oh, and i did this a while back, but never posted it...

Craig

that's great! what's the voiceover and film?

oh, and i did this a while back, but never posted it...

Craig


Oh wow Craig! That looks so moody! I love it!

As for the voiceover stuff... things like radio identity (you are listening to WKKS at the midnight hour...), commercial voice overs, public service announcements, dialects, valley girl accents and cartoon voices... all that stuff. It's a nice sideline for voice talent and I really like doing it. The Film work has been composing songs for film (and TV). I get given thematic concepts, scripts or raw footage and I write songs based on the imagery. Some of it is just filler stuff and vocalizations etc., others are entire songs. I have also been doing some acting, but really Indie stuff... still building my reel and my courage!

What have you been up to lately?

I had a go at the lips with the liquify tool, it's a bit of trial and error but it can be done.

Oh wow Craig! That looks so moody! I love it! well, good :) i liked the original, but just wanted to see if i could punch it up a bit.

am glad your music and stuff is going well! i mean, really. all this graphic work is actually my second love. i grew up in choirs and theatre. but after school i could never get past the stage fright to sing in public. it's really quite odd. i have a good voice and i know i do, but put me on a stage and ask me to sing and i just sort of lock up. quite frustrating. i used to write a bit, but that was back when i had my Amiga and some great software. never found anything for the pc i like. at any rate, all this was to say, i'm glad you're doing your love and doing well at it and having fun. the voice-overs sound like great fun :)

Craig

deadants,

Thanks for having a go.

What brush did you use in Liquify?
I think I am having a hard time knowing exactly what brush to use. I used the Forward Warp Tool and you can see my ridiculous result! LOL

Is there a decent general Liquify tutorial out there in the cyberworld? I'd love a link if anyone knows of one. This is a tool I have not had much practice using.

Craig- you mentioned the use of a Mesh. I see that feature here in Liquify, but it asks to load in a mesh. What exactly is a mesh in this reference? Is it the 'settings' used.

the mesh in the mesh warp tool is just that, a mesh. see the attached picture. you move those dots around to create the warp under that area. as you move them around you can see the changes instantly as a preview. to finalize it you hit the apply button up top. it's quick and it's simple and can all be undone very easily. you can move the points in the mesh as many times as you want and the preview changes instantly each time.

the 2nd image is just another attempt, only with slightly fuller lips. also done the same way as the first.

it's a great tool, especially for cariacatures and such.

Craig

and here's a closeup of it in action.

Craig

Wow- that is indeed a handy feature. I have Paint Shop Pro 8... maybe I'll open this image up in there and fiddle around.
How do I access the 'mesh warp tool' in Paint Shop Pro?

in Paint Shop Pro 9 it's in the toolbar down the left side, 2nd one down, right under the pan/zoom tool.

Craig

in Paint Shop Pro 9 it's in the toolbar down the left side, 2nd one down, right under the pan/zoom tool.

Craig

Ok I found it.
Now for the newbie Paint Shop Pro question. How do I put a selection in a new layer.
When I used the freehand selection tool to select the lips and then went > Edit/copy > Edit/copy> paste as a new layer
it put the lips in the middle of the head of the image
Is that how Paint Shop Pro works or is there a better way to make a new selection and put it on a seperate layer?

Also, how small can you make the mesh? Mine is stuck at 31 by 31

I used a soft round 17 pixels brush.

Tere are a few tutorials for the liquify tool that I found doing a google search. Here's a video tutorial. I'm not sure it's any help though.
http://www.tutorialized.com/tutorial/Photoshop-9-CS2-Liquify-Filter-Warp-Tool/8608

rnbluvva hello again :) take a look at this image, i used same techniques(copy, liquify, pinch)
p.s. u prob. used very small brush in liquify... try bigger brush almost as big as mouth itself.
p.p.s . select--> ctrl+J

rnbluvva hello again :) take a look at this image, i used same techniques(copy, liquify, pinch)
p.s. u prob. used very small brush in liquify... try bigger brush almost as big as mouth itself.
p.p.s . select--> ctrl+J

Great job cyber cat!

I did indeed use a small brush.
What tool should I have used? There are several to choose from... I now know BLOAT doesn't work! LOL

Is that ctrl+j in Paint Shop Pro 8?

Ok I think I know why my mesh squares are bigger. I am working on a 150dpi image that is significantly larger than the JPG and PSD I posted here.

Will tinker with the mesh some more. It's very cool. Wish Photoshop had something like this.

It would be great if the mesh in the liquify filter had anchor points, but I'm using Photoshop CS Is it in CS2.

How do I put a selection in a new layer. in the 'selections' menu, pick 'promote to new layer'.

as for the mesh, i never used Paint Shop Pro 8, but it shld be similar to 9. and, you shld therefore have some adjustments up below the menu bar, maybe, that allow you to change the scale of the mesh. if you look at that one picture i posted of the mesh, i think you can see the horizontal tool bar for that. you can alter the vertical and horizontal size.

Craig

It would be great if the mesh in the liquify filter had anchor points, but I'm using Photoshop CS Is it in CS2.

I just upgraded to CS2.. but I don't see anchor points or how to activate them in liquify...

I see the 'show mesh', but it's not the same as Paint Shop Pro with the points that you can move.

OK the gid is fairly easy to use in Liquify. Set the mesh size to large and use the Forward warp tool (that's the poining finger at the top of the tools pallet.

Hey Craig, This is like duelling banjo's :)

OK the gid is fairly easy to use in Liquify. Set the mesh size to large and use the Forward warp tool (that's the poining finger at the top of the tools pallet.

Hey Craig, This is like duelling banjo's :)

Wow! This is great. Nicer to use the same program to do this.
I am assuming I can use the Freeze tool to freeze the bottom portion of the lip while pushing the top one?
Gonna play some more.
My eyes are starting to bug out a bit looking at these darned lips all night! LOL

Yes, select the freeze tool paint over the area you don't want warped and do your adjustment. Then use the thaw mask tool to erase the freeze mask when your done.

Ok I did another very quick pass using this new knowledge you have shared with me tonight!

Not perfect by any means, but at least now I get the concept.
I'm also gonna try Cyber Cat's method.

But for now... I must sleep!

Using CS2 Warp (edit>transform>warp) First put the top lip on a new layer and then transform that layer. See images of the warp.

Ok I did another very quick pass using this new knowledge... there ya go! now you're on the right track :)

Craig

Hi everybody,

Wow, great jobs here!!! :bigthmb: :bigthmb:

creeduk beat me to it ... meaning the new CS2 Warp Option in the Transform Tool ...

It might not be enough as I tried to keep the natural upper-lip line ... but here is what I came up with...

P.S. rnbluvva .... Great voice and great music!!!!

creeduk :wavey: Heya! Thanks for telling me about the Warp Transform feature. I used that on this newest attempt. Just goes to show that there is more than one way to fatten a lip! LOL

Flora Hiya! Thanks for having a shot! It's great to see everyone's attempts as it gives me a great guideline to measure up to. Thanks also for having a listen to my music. I am glad you enjoyed it!

OK- here is my latest attempt.

I used the Warp Transform option on the upper lip portion only, on a new layer.
Then I made a new layer on top of that one and used the Healing Brush to clean up above the new lip shape a bit. I'm not sure what tool would be the best for the cleanup.

My question now is... how do I get back some lip texture and make that line between the lips look more natural? It looks a bit funny as it is now. My big problem with the lip enhancement right now is making sure to keep that line of shadow where the upper lip and lower lip meet. Most of my other attempts have blurred this line so there is no clear demarkation of where the upper lip meets the bottom. Now I seem to have that line there using the Warp Transform Tool, but I am not happy with how the texture looks.

Any tips?

Hey Craig, This is like duelling banjo's pretty much; i always lose there too.

natalie,
clone, push and smudge. for the line between the lips i used a very small push brush and just wiped here and there in a straight line. for the texture in the upper lip, you can borrow a bit from the lower with clone, or push/smudge some more in within the upper lip itself. or, for that matter, you could just draw some in, or draw it on another layer and use the layer opacity to blend it.

Craig