rondon
10-21-2005, 06:01 AM
http://trunks.secondfoundation.org/files/psychic.swf
| View Full Version : Ok! this one stumps me. rondon 10-21-2005, 06:01 AM http://trunks.secondfoundation.org/files/psychic.swf Caitlin 10-21-2005, 06:57 AM Do you really want the answer? Spoiler space.. Highlight to reveal: Every combination results in the same symbol. The symbol is changed every round, but it is the same for any number you pick. Clever though! Panpan 10-21-2005, 07:29 AM Caitlin beat me to it! Every legal answer for double-digit numbers results in a multiple of 9. The Excel formula is =a1-(int(a1/10)+mod(a1,10)) where a1 is the number you chose. This simplifies to =9*int(a1/10). For example, 12 gives a result of 9; 22 gives 18; 32 gives 27; etc. All those multiples have the same symbol on the web page. (The symbol for 0 is also the same although 0 is not a possible result). The symbols change randomly for each attempt to make things more mysterious. Pierre rondon 10-21-2005, 08:35 AM ok I see... back to the riddles of my era: so if an egg and a half cost a cent and a half what does a dozen cost? Marthig 10-21-2005, 03:54 PM 12 ? :scared: :ditsy: rondon 10-21-2005, 04:05 PM :bigthmb:.................. Marthig 10-21-2005, 04:17 PM :bigthmb:.................. hehe :clown: :nod: I did it ! :grin: have just remembered one :devil: : how much is the half of two plus two :rolleyes: :question: Caitlin 10-21-2005, 05:54 PM 3? (Depending on where the brackets are...) rondon 10-21-2005, 05:57 PM .................... kschulz 10-21-2005, 09:14 PM 2 and 3 are both correct - depending on where the brackets are, like Caitlin said. Marthig 10-22-2005, 08:18 AM 2 and 3 are both correct - depending on where the brackets are, like Caitlin said. The riddle, puzzle or whatever the name is, is from those typical school (pre- algebra times) things. Mainly a word game I would say. The brackets would make it lose the fun :evil: The answer as I was taught is 3 -and the "formula" would be: the half of 2+(2) :) P.S.: I am from Rondon's times, even older I think ;) Caitlin 10-22-2005, 08:23 AM Can someone explain the egg and a half one to me? I don't quite 'get' what the riddle is supposed to be? kschulz 10-22-2005, 09:35 AM Caitlin, I think the point of the riddle is realizing that solving it shouldn't be as difficult as one might think (some might do a lot more math than needed because the "fractional" aspect makes them think they need to). Once you realize that an egg costs a cent, its easy to see what a dozen costs without much thought. :glasses: - Kurt rondon 10-22-2005, 10:46 AM Another that I used to enjoy more was nearly as simple, On the way back from a fishing trip one man said to the other... give me one of your fish and we will be even... the other said well give me one of yours and I will have twice as many ... how many did each man have? Panpan 10-22-2005, 10:54 AM 2 and 3 are both correct - depending on where the brackets are, like Caitlin said.If the answer were 3, there was the opportunity to put a comma in the sentence to avoid ambiguity: "How much is the half of two, plus two?" Since there is none, the better answer is 2. Pierre MaryLynn 10-22-2005, 11:27 AM the other said well give me one of yours and I will have twice as many ... Twice as many as what? Will the second man have twice as many as the first man presently has or twice as many as the first man after the transfer? Or am I making this too difficult? MaryLynn Panpan 10-22-2005, 12:41 PM On the way back from a fishing trip one man said to the other... give me one of your fish and we will be even... the other said well give me one of yours and I will have twice as many ... how many did each man have?The answer is 5 and 7. Pierre NancyJ 10-23-2005, 02:12 AM without any brackets the answer is 3. Its a basic rule of mathmatics... division and mutiplication come before addition. Since a half can either mean mutliply by a half or divide by 2, that part comes first. http://www.easymaths.com/What_on_earth_is_Bodmas.htm Panpan 10-23-2005, 03:21 AM without any brackets the answer is 3. Its a basic rule of mathmatics... division and mutiplication come before addition. Since a half can either mean mutliply by a half or divide by 2, that part comes first. http://www.easymaths.com/What_on_earth_is_Bodmas.htm Easymaths.com overstates the case. Operator precedence is merely a matter of convention. Although "bodmas" is common, there are other conventions with merit. For instance, Hewlet Packard still uses RPN (http://www.calculator.org/rpn.html) in their high-end calculators. Consider also the case of computer languages like APL with a large number of operators; precedence levels for specific operators would be unwieldly so only left to right or right to left precedence is kept. There are other conventions in use. So I maintain my answer. The questioner could have avoided ambiguity if the answer were 3. Pierre kschulz 10-23-2005, 07:40 AM Pierre, technically you make good points. Yes, there may be other conventions that could be considered. However, I have to agree with NancyJ on this one - without brackets (or commas, or any other information), the correct answer is 3 given the generally accepted rules of precedence. Sure, a comma might have removed the ambiguity, but it would not make a very good riddle then, would it? - Kurt |