Hi
Being disabled with MS (spending most of my time at home) I find it hard to fill my days with anything meaningfull.

I have now been looking at RetouchPRO for some weeks now, and after being asked by a few people if I could 'mend' their photos I find myself wanting more.
I am not very good (Infact a complete novice) but I feel I have the will to learn more and more in an attempt to get as good as some of the 'posters' who frequent these pages.

What I would like to know is anyone could reccomend a way that I could learrn (from home) from the very basics upwards without the need to spend too much of my limited amount of income?

Many thanks to all for a brilliant and informative web site
Thx
Smurf

Hello ukpapasmurf I am sorry to hear that you have got MS.
The best way to learn (I gather that you have Photoshop if not have a look in to getting a copy) is by practise. I learnt Photoshop by spending all time time going through tutorials and techniques.
For a begginer I would look in to some books by Scott Kelby as he is fantasic when it comes to explaining the techniques to begginers. Also I would recomend you to go to http://good-tutorials.com and http://pixel2life.com as they have some good tutorials on there for begginers.
After you get familer with the program look in to getting books and training videos by Deke Mcclelland (SP?) as he is a very very good instructor and can teach you that next step.
After you know how to use the program I would recomend you to practise, practise and more practise. The more that you practise the better you will become.
I hope this helps you.

Hi ukpapasmurf,

Well, Hi and welcome to the site. I'm sorry to hear about the MS as I hear it can be so painful..... you apparently have a lot of courage and seem determinded to "make lemonade out of lemons". . . so here goes......

By now you've probably discovered you've landed on a gold mine of expertise navigating to RetouchPro..... it's full of information provided by a host of giving, creative, kind people and I've learned most by just following the threads where somone asks something like "Help, what can I do about .....". I've usually wound up with not only step by step instructions but, just as important, an "eye" for seeing problems previously blind to.

I am a novice, too. And, so much of the time, am willing to go find the answer to my problem if only I knew what to call it........ like learning the term "blowout" when all I knew was that parts of my picture were so bright they looked like blind spots.......

Truthfully, I've bought books on Photoshop CS and Katrin Eismann's book on Restoration and Retouching which were very good but, after going through this website and Phyllis Stewart's site Innographx Forum with a fine toothed comb, there was nothing new in those books (in the areas I was interested in)...... just various ways of doing the same things I'd learned off websites. I'm certainly not in any way saying anything bad about the books because they are certainly a huge help especially since they're an organized way to learn techniques and that's very helpful.......

You mentioned that "I feel I have the will to learn more and more in an attempt to get as good as some of the 'posters' who frequent these pages." well, you've got the hardest part taken care of........

I'll bet we'll see more and more of your work and certainly hope to!

oxoxox
Beth

Truthfully, I've bought books on Photoshop CS and Katrin Eismann's book on Restoration and Retouching.


Beth I have just got a copy of that and it was deliverd yesterday. Looks good so far.

Hi Smurf,

there are a lot of tutorials out there you could begin with.

I'd suggest starting up with the basic ones. Selections, using the different features etc. As soon as you got the basics you can start with the restauration and retouching stuff.

I personally consider the Katrin Eismann book (If you read this Katrin, no flamemails please) NOT recommended for a total beginner as it's at least medium-level and you might get confused by all those things if you don't know what you're doing.

What kind of retouching do you want to do? Retouching as in portrait/beauty stuff or restauration?

Thanks everone for your kind words and support

Think that my efforts would be best directed at your standard type (if there is such a thing) of photo repairs and manipulation.
If I am lucky enough to find that this suits me I may look at trying to expand into other areas (who knows)

Once again many thanks to all ( all knowledge is good knowledge)

Smurf

I'll tell you what to do in relation to how I do it. It's not necessarily the best way, it's just my way. I am a book guy so I do better with the books than with the tuts. Here are the books that I'd recommend that would get you well one your way to understanding this much better.

I'd get a Photoshop reference book. My choice is usually the Bible series. They work well for reference uses. I actually read through the Photoshop Bible but now use it for a reference when I need it.

For photo work
Masking and Compositing by Katrin Eismann
Retouching and Restoration by Katrin Eismann

These two are good to start off with. They establish a good base. She's a great author and gives plenty of excercises to follow along with.

Photoshop LAB Color by Dan Margulis
Professional Photoshop by Dan Margulis

These two go to the next level and I wouldn't recommend these until you get past the first two and have developed a wide knowledge of photoshop. They are definitely intermediate to advanced books. Getting through Katrin's books will get you to that point I think. I would also hold off on buying the Professional Photoshop book. I have heard that the 5th edition is to be out in the fall or winter and the ones I've mentioned will take that long to get through so it will be ready when you are done with them.

After that, when there are individual problems that you run into that are more specific, I go to the tuts. I have a better understanding of Photoshop in general and can understand the tuts better as well. I also have a better understanding of what I need from a tut. These books are a huge help in this area and I swear by them.

hi smurf,

welcome to RetouchPRO.

now, since you said: What I would like to know is anyone could reccomend a way that I could learrn (from home) from the very basics upwards without the need to spend too much of my limited amount of income? i'm going to steer you in another direction besides the VERY expensive photoshop ($700 retail here in the u.s.). the cheapest, but very good, editor is 'the Gimp'. this is a freebie. it's an ongoing open source program with a lot of power. a number of folks here on retouchpro use it. just google 'the gimp' or 'gimp' and it shld be near the top of the finds.

another very good program is paint shop pro. this used to be a shareware program but is now a commercial one, currently owned by Corel. if you look around the net you can still find the free versions. version 4.12 i know is still out there. the Corel version is commercial, pay for, but a LOT cheaper than photoshop and yet very high powered. in my opinion it's a better 'bang for the buck' than photoshop. in the u.s. you can find this retail ranging from about $80 to $120 and if you look around you can often find it even cheaper.

the learning curve on each of those is going to be different. photoshop has the highest learning curve with Paint Shop Pro and the gimp coming in next, but if you go for the older psp 4.12, that's a much lower curve. and the folks here can pretty much help you with any of them.

craig

Hi RJD,

You're right, it's a very good book. I knew that smurf was on a limited income (heck, we're probably all on a limited income of varying degrees) and I paid $50.00 for mine (Katrin's book). It's been worth it but I'm glad I at least had some experience with Photoshop before I bought it.......... right now I'm looking on my bookshelf, staring at the Adobe Classroom in a Book for Photoshop CS (which I bought right after getting Photoshop CS) and Gaaaaahhhh....... I think I've opened the thing 3 times......

I'm like imann08, in that I'm a book person too, but until I even knew what I wanted to do with Photoshop I was using those tuts like a trained rhesus monkey....... wait...... I think they trained one of those things to fly the space shuttle....... OK....... not like a smart monkey.. more like a clueless rat sniffin' around for some cheddar......

I bet you'll love her book!

oxoxo
Beth

Smurf,

Being able to help people mend their treasured photos could be a very meaningful hobby/work for you, and helpful to those who use your services. From the answers you have received already, I think you can tell that most of us learned from manuals, training books, on-line tutorials, websites including RetouchPro and others -- AND practicing what we read about, heard about, and saw. You don't have to sign up for expensive classes, or even buy expensive books (buying a used copy or using a library copy will work as well).

You are already at one of the most helpful websites to learning the skills necessary, and there are many tutorials here as well as on other sites that can help you gain more skills. Before we can give truly helpful advice, however, we need to know more about what you already know how to do, and what you currently use to work on editing photos.

What software do you already own? How long have you used it?
What do you know how to do with that software?
What is your computer set-up -- do you have enough hard drive space and memory to work with large photos?
Do you have a scanner -- if so, what kind, and how familiar are you with its use?
How do you currently work with photos to get them on your computer?
How does your MS currently affect you -- does it affect your vision, your eye-hand coordination, your stamina to work for more than a few minutes?
We all have our physical limitations, and only some of them affect our ability to do retouching -- some images can require many steps, but if your clients don't rush your deadline, you can take your time within your physical capabilities.

Tell us where you are starting, and we can better help you see what steps you can work on to reach the goals you are thinking about setting for yourself. You've already found the #1 website for retouching, so you're already heading on your path.

Here's what I've done so far (being a novice myself) and it has helped my understanding of photoshop...

1) Look into online courses through a community college. I went through Cerro Coso Community College in California (there were people in the class from all over the world) and took a beginner's class in Digital Imaging (MA C102). It was a great class that taught you the basics of Photoshop and along the way provided you with great feedback on how you were doing. Later I took an intemediate level course through Foothill Community College (also online). There are tons of community colleges out there with many different photoshop courses online.

2) I'm an avid reader so I buy books related to photoshop. Some of the books out there are fantastic and provide you with cd's that allow you to try out what you see in the books on the actual pictures used. Some that I have learned alot from:
Adobe Photoshop CS2 Classroom in a Book+CD (Good for Beginners)
Photoshop Restoration & Retouching by Katrin Eismann (3rd Edition) - (Fantastic for learning how to restore and retouch photos, no CD but you can download everything from the book's website)
I've got a human in my throat by Worth1000.com (Shows you some of the fun things you can do with Photoshop, comes with CD)

3) Check out various websites that offer tutorials. As mentioned before Pixel2Life.com and GoodTutorials.com are some of the best. RetouchPro.com is the best one I have come across for repairing photos and is one I check almost daily.

4) Take advantage of this website. Even if you are just learning you can post your work and ask for a critique. Feedback is so important because as we stare at an image for hours we sometimes lose perspective on how we are really doing (trust me on this - personal experience). What's awesome too is that there are a lot of highly talented and professional individuals here that know what they are doing and the advice they give is priceless.

Kerry

G'day Smurf,
One thing to consider, whilst not directly related to your thread topic, is nonetheless an important consideration all the same, and this is your working space/ computer hardware and software setup... for example- on a 'bad MS day' a trackball mouse or a graphics tablet may be less fatiguing to use than ye olde mouse. So looking into such alternatives and learning how to work with them may be helpful to you and your work in the long term. I have no major physical limitations myself (just laziness...geek style) but I have a programmable Belkin N52 gamepad which rests on my lap, that I have customised to execute often used complex actions, multi keystroke keyboard shortcuts, and other multi step commands/ macros with just a single gamepad keystroke for each. So what I guess I am putting to you is to not only learn the ropes but to also learn how to make the ropes work best for you.

Where do I start ?

Firstly I must thank you ALL for your wonderfull support.

Firstly - I am in the U.K and I guess most, if not all, of you are U.S residents.

My computer is a Pentium 3.2 with 1.5 gig Ram - 128mb graphics card and a 19 inch flat screen. Have good quality printer and scanner which give me great results.
One thing I have no tried - but am certainly going to make my No1 priority - is a graphics tablet. This I am certain will help as I do have some problems at times using the mouse.
I have both Photshop and Paint Shop - finding it much easier to use Paintshop at present. Although I sometimes find Photoshop will do things Paintshop struggles with.

I consider myself as a complete novice at all this and usually find that it is 'try, try, try again' using different methods until I get there - sometimes it seems to take ages.

Hope this gives you some idea of where I am at

Once again
Many thanks to you all

Smurf

Beth I am really enjoying the book. I am also glad that I knew how to use photoshop before Igot her book or it would seem a bit daunting. I love reading books and tutes the same. On the book side there is the way that the pro's do it and on the tutes there is ways that pro's do not.

Hi Smurf,

welcome to RetouchPRO!! :pleased:

I'm so sorry to hear that you suffer from MS... but, as someone has already said, you have a lot of courage and I'm sure that photo restoring/retouching will be very helpful for you and for those who will enjoy your work.

What can I say ... you have 'landed' in the friendliest and best place in the whole 'www' ... :wink: ...

There isn't much I can add to the many tips you have already received ... beside, maybe, that I'm also a Photoshop self taught person ... and I simply started by reading first the Photoshop Help File ... Searching the internet for help on what I couldn't understand has been (and still is) my main help source ... (by the way, that's how I found RetouchPRO and decided to stay... :) ) The only books I have bought are Katrin Eismann's ... which, as someone mentioned, are more for an intermediate/advanced level... But there are tons of other books on image manipulation just as good and valid on the market..

Firstly - I am in the U.K and I guess most, if not all, of you are U.S residents. ... Yep ... but there is a 'very nice' bunch of members, from your side of the 'pond' (... just check 'my' Location on the far right of my avatar for one ... :happy: :wink: :happy: )

Smurf,

Sounds like you have what you need -- hardware, software, interest, and positive attitude!

Katrin Eismann's book(s) expect you to know Photoshop basics, but her explanations are detailed enough to help follow along. You say that you are a novice on Photoshop and Paintshop -- that means you know more than I do since I'm not even a novice with Paintshop (I started with Photoshop and found it hard to switch to anything else). You will find that RetouchPro tutorials are mostly written for Photoshop -- see http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/
but there are a good number of members who use Paintshop and you can find posts from their work that can help you with skills in that program. Craig (Kraellin) is one of most avid Paintshop users/posters and there are others.

If you find that there are specific areas of Photo/Paint shop that you want to learn more about -- do a search and/or post a question. Same with a particular retouching technique. There is a ton of information already written here, but it's not always easy to find when you're new to the board (or even when you've been around for years and been thru a number of forum re-designs) -- it's always good to try a search first, but most folks here won't yell at you for asking a question that already been asked before -- this is a safe place for folks to ask questions, learn from each other and from the materials available. If some one person does bark at you, others will remind that person that we were all beginners at one time, and that we are all here to help and learn -- the learning never stops.

You can look at the Challenges (Retouching, Restoration, Manipulation, etc.) http://www.retouchpro.com/challenges/index.php/cat/507 and find skills demonstrated there as well as in the Tips Forum (be sure to choose "From the Beginning" as your choice of viewing the threads to see everything that is available. If you get mixed up in how to view the forum threads, someone will help if you holler loud enough. :classic:

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&f=44&page=1&pp=25&sort=lastpost&order=desc&daysprune=-1

Really sorry, this question may sound stupid, but, what is MS?

Multiple Sclerosis