knows anybody, how this picture is made...

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/37106085/


amazing picture...

Looks like some color adjustment to darken the mood then an accent edges or other "sketch" type filter to do the ink outlines.

I did the one below in about 3 minutes.

hmm...other comments?

It seems to be HDR...it has been discussed before. :) http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=13968&highlight=hdr

That look is produced through software. Scroll through these galleries for examples:
http://www.lucisart.com/Gallery_Duenkel1.htm

http://www.lucisart.com/Gallery_Crail1.htm

http://www.lucisart.com/Gallery_Gregory1.htm

LucisArt:
http://www.lucisart.com/

I believe the Tone Mapping plug-in from Photomatix will also achieve these results:
http://www.hdrsoft.com/examples.html



Pam
http://www.pbase.com/pam_r

ok no need to get plug-in software....it is a combination of high dynamic range technique with very heavy cocktails of painting with light (PWL), aggressive and deliberate "mis-uses" of unshapen mask, high pass filter, shadow and highlights command, contrast mask, and/or diffuse glow filter if applicable. Lots of hand colouring with Photoshop on the desaturated original.

thanks a lot. i try my very best.
when i finished i will post an example...

here is the image Swampy supplied with the Lucis Art filter.

~Nancy

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Oooooo! Nice Nans!

Will the Lucis Art plugin work with Paint Shop Pro, or will it work with Photoshop 6?

That's fantastic!!!!

Steve

here is the image Swampy supplied with the Lucis Art filter.

~Nancy

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it says in the artist comment section "HDRi"=high dynamic range image, combination of multiple exposures of the same scene with varying levels of transparency

I am impressed with the Photomatix tonal mapping..so impressed that i bought a copy....it would take me 20 minute to simulate HDR effects manually using Photoshop layer masks of bracketed image layers(without CS2 HDR conversion etc...). With Photomatix, it only takes a few minutes to get the same result. Besides it can work with 8-bit jpegs without the need of raw files!

HDRShop can create HDRI with more additional functions but very expensive:

http://gl.ict.usc.edu/HDRShop/

Will the Lucis Art plugin work with Paint Shop Pro, or will it work with Photoshop 6?

That's fantastic!!!!

Steve

I don't know Steve. The people there are really nice, and I'm sure could answer any questions. Here is the website: http://www.lucisart.com/

~Nancy~

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Will the Lucis Art plugin work with Paint Shop Pro, or will it work with Photoshop 6?

That's fantastic!!!!

SteveCaution. This is a pretty spendy plugin and based on my experience with it (before I sold it -- too few uses for the work I do; some effects were totally useless), IMO it would not achieve the look of the subject image.

Unfortnately the demo only lets you assess results in the thumbnail screen about 2" x 2", which is not nearly large enough to make an intelligent assessment of the final result.

Since it worked under PS7, I cannot imagine it not working with PS6 or Paint Shop Pro, but as Nancy suggested it wouldn't hurt to check.

Your mileage will vary.

all my trys are useless. its so hard to get a similar result.

Thanks for the advice Danny. Am hearing both sides...mostly pretty positive. As I probably won't be using it commercially It may work ok for me. I am getting a 15% discount also, but will try the demo.

Wish I had known you had it for sale before you got rid of it.

Thanks much.

Steve

Caution. This is a pretty spendy plugin and based on my experience with it (before I sold it -- too few uses for the work I do; some effects were totally useless), IMO it would not achieve the look of the subject image.

Unfortnately the demo only lets you assess results in the thumbnail screen about 2" x 2", which is not nearly large enough to make an intelligent assessment of the final result.

Since it worked under PS7, I cannot imagine it not working with PS6 or Paint Shop Pro, but as Nancy suggested it wouldn't hurt to check.

Your mileage will vary.

Thanks Nancy. Appreciate your feedback & will contact the folks there.

Steve


I don't know Steve. The people there are really nice, and I'm sure could answer any questions. Here is the website: http://www.lucisart.com/

~Nancy~

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Nancy, am playing with Lucis Art Plugin demo. Can you tell me the settings you used for this image?

Steve

here is the image Swampy supplied with the Lucis Art filter.

~Nancy

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www.photoart123.com

all my trys are useless. its so hard to get a similar result.

there is no magic plugin that will take one picture and achieve this effect. You need to bracket your shots +2 -2 and then combine them.

Most of the plugins are dependent on knowing what you are doing in camera

Nancy, am playing with Lucis Art Plugin demo. Can you tell me the settings you used for this image?

Steve
Sure Steve... close anyway. I "believe" I used Whyeth: radial button "3" Mix "33" and then once again with "exposure" on the same settings (or maybe a little less). You'll have to play, but it is close. I have the mac version. Don't know if it differs from the PC version or not. I really like this filter and I do use it quite a bit, unlike some of the other filters I have purchased.
Have fun!

~Nancy~
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First, thanks to Swampy for such a nice image to play with.

Here's my way to get there ......

For the HDR effect:
1) Duplicate the layer;
2) Click on each channel in turn, apply Image>Adjustments>Equalize. *1

For the Sharpening / Edges:
1) Duplicate the layer;
2) Run the Filter>Other>Custom with:*2
0 -1 0
-1 4 -1
0 -1 0
3) Adjust with levels, white point at 127 - gives you a sort of outline sketch effect;
4) Set the blending of this layer to Multiply.

This looks good, but to get it more like the example:
1) Levels, lowering gamma to 0.8;
2) Slight yellow tint applied.

*1 I'm finishing a plug-in to do a controlled equalize but on this image we can just let it rip;
*2 Also known as the Laplace filter. If this is scaring you away, just use the High-pass filter - not quite as sharp but it's OK.

Hope this helps
(and it's a lot cheaper :cool: )

Rô

Ro, thank you so much for sharing your technique with us. As always you have presented it in a very readable way. I had never used the Laplace Filter before (had seen it once but had no idea what is was for) and now you have inspired me to fiddle around with it. Photoshop never ceases to amaze me. I have been using it for about a year and a half now and just when I think I am getting the hang of it, and know most of what there is to know about it, along comes someone with yet another completely novel approach to the situation and I realise that I probably haven't even scratched the surface. Anyway thanks to you and all the other really good folk at Retouch Pro for all your hard work and sharing. I hope I can do the same one day.

I have one question, however. I am a bit lost on Point No. 3.

3) Adjust with layers, white point at 127 - gives you a sort of outline sketch effect;
4) Set the blending of this layer to Multiply.

How do I adjust the white point with layers? Do you mean turn down the opacity of the layers until the white point is at 127? I am not quite how I would measure the white point anyway without using levels. And then Point No. 4. What layer should be set to Multiply. I am sure the answer is very simple but I just can't seem to work it out.

Sincerely Syd

thanks ro...good advice..
what do the equalize command does?

.....How do I adjust the white point with layers?Sorry, Syd, that was a 2 a.m. typo. :square:
What I meant was Levels, oops! :blush: (see attachments for before levels and after)
I´ll correct my post.

What layer should be set to Multiply.
When we put the white point at half-way most (half ;) ) of our "Laplace" layer just became pure white.
Multiply blending will darken an image - with a white "overlay" having no effect at all and black making everything black.
So this is what we want, just darken the outlines and leave the rest alone.(see attachments for final levels palette)

Hope this clears things up. :D

Rô

Some great methods here. Thought I'd try too (hope swampy doesn't mind me using her image).

Duplicate main. Run Filter Accented Edges on a width of 1, duplicate, set blending mode to screen and drop opacity to 40%

...what do the equalize command does?I don't know if you're comfortable with histograms, Yoolan - if so, then the first two attachments below will show what's happening.

If not, putting it in words: any image has a mixture of highlights, shadows and mid-tones. When an image gets concentrated in just one of these tones, although it may look cool, the overall contrast is low.
What the equalize function does is to (try and *) fill up each of the 256 channel levels equally - that way we get the best possible distribution of all tones. This will usually give us an image with more contrast.

* actually it's not so easy, and you will usually end up with unwanted artifacts where the equalize function had to skip a few tones.

OK, so why make a plug-in if Photoshop already does the work?

1) If you run Photoshop Equalize on an image (not the separate channels), it will equalize the sum of R, G and B - which, if you know a bit about channels and luminosity, is a very wierd thing to do and doesn't correspond to anything useful;

2) Sometimes we want to equalize the channels, sometimes the overall luminosity (which Photoshop does not do) - and sometimes a mix of the two;

3) Photoshop Equalization is all or nothing, just fill up each level as best you can - this is what makes the horrible artifacts. Often what you really wanted was some sort of smooth curve.

(oops, think I got carried away here - I'll stop now)

Rô

Got it Ro. You're a star. Thanks.

Syd

Amazing the affects you can achieve, using Ro's method of equalizing all channels, noticed that the green channel was fairly dark and so upped the brightness on that channel alone, then noticing the colour a little skewed added a warming filter. Hmm after playing with some photos notice that not all photos are candidates for this type of treatment.

Thanks Nancy.

I am trying a lot of settings here, but this plugin is really driving me batty. These figures will give me a starting point.

This plugin does work in Paint Shop Pro and I am still trying to figure out the fine tuning on the demo. The small window doesn't help much.

Thanks again.

Steve

Sure Steve... close anyway. I "believe" I used Whyeth: radial button "3" Mix "33" and then once again with "exposure" on the same settings (or maybe a little less). You'll have to play, but it is close. I have the mac version. Don't know if it differs from the PC version or not. I really like this filter and I do use it quite a bit, unlike some of the other filters I have purchased.
Have fun!

~Nancy~
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www.photoart123.com

Here is a 5 minutes quick attempt using different workflow that I made up as I went along:

1. Duplicate the orginal.

2. Edge sharpening using Alpha channel (threshold 0, radius 1, amount 270). I made an action of this technique.

3. Apply layer mask to remove locally areas of excessive halos like the tree leaves.

4. Copy a blue channel to an empty layer on the top and set the blending mode to linear burn, opacity 25%.

By the way, you can't simulate HDRI using just one image (unless it is a raw file) ..you need at least two images of bracket exposures to extend the dynmaic range. :robot:

Regarding Lucis Art--as Danny says, it is pricey, and not to everyone's taste, but they do offer discounts (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/lucisart.html) via various vendor codes. I did actually buy the copy I use for my various artwork (not a review copy).

Be aware that you are not limited to one effect--you can use different Lucis effects on different layers and combine them using various blend modes. Here is an unfinished tutorial layout from my upcoming ezine (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/ezine.html), showing two completely different Lucis Art effects combined via Darken blending mode. I followed it up with BW Workflow Pro, because the issue will be all about BW conversion.

Aside from art effects, Lucis Art is great for opening shadows and revealing detail you wouldn't see otherwise. Note especially the X-ray on the page linked above.

I notice you are using the pro version here.

Do you have tutorials where you have used only the plugin?

Steve

Regarding Lucis Art--as Danny says, it is pricey, and not to everyone's taste, but they do offer discounts (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/lucisart.html) via various vendor codes. I did actually buy the copy I use for my various artwork (not a review copy).

Be aware that you are not limited to one effect--you can use different Lucis effects on different layers and combine them using various blend modes. Here is an unfinished tutorial layout from my upcoming ezine (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/ezine.html), showing two completely different Lucis Art effects combined via Darken blending mode. I followed it up with BW Workflow Pro, because the issue will be all about BW conversion.

Aside from art effects, Lucis Art is great for opening shadows and revealing detail you wouldn't see otherwise. Note especially the X-ray on the page linked above.

Hi Steve,

Are you referring to Lucis Art or BW Workflow Pro?

If Lucis Art, I am using the standard cross-platform plug-in version (as opposed to the Windows-only standalone LucisPro).

In issue 1 of my ezine (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/ezine.html) I have a couple pages where I used Lucis Art by itself. I tend to use it a lot because you get great artistic effects quickly. Issue 2 has a couple of examples on the last page. Issue 5 shows results from Lucis Pro done by the developer using my images. I used it as one of the first effects for the cover art for issue 7, which will explore creative effects more thoroughly.

The Lucis Art options I use most often are Sculpture and Klimpt. Sculpture gives you a colored pencil effect while popping the shadows and sharpening detail. Klimpt is the opposite--you get wild pixie stix color effects which are quite cool and unique. More recently (as I showed earlier), I've been combining these two effects into one image.

I haven't spent much time with Plaid; Wyeth and Winslow are useful at times. In practice, if you crank the slider when in any of the options, the effect can morph to resemble any other option. Try using the percentage slider to blend your original back in to modify the Lucis effect.

I'll keep you in mind for a focused Lucis Art tutorial in the future!

Thanks for sharing your methods but none in my opinion is egual to the first posted. How to achieve that exact result? anyone know this?

It's just HDR and some PWL?

Angel

Nobody here can say "exactly" how the artist achieved his great effect. We can only guess. There are so _many_ ways to get from point A to point B in Photoshop. Perhaps you can drop him email and ask him?

Angel

Nobody here can say "exactly" how the artist achieved his great effect. We can only guess. There are so _many_ ways to get from point A to point B in Photoshop. Perhaps you can drop him email and ask him?

Hmmm...nice idea...i'll do it now. :nod:
wait for me, I'll be back!

HDR is a fantastic way to get very nice effects! But it should be as good as the picture shown on top her...This requiers som skill in coloring an d adding shadows and light really!

To get your HDR pictures just take a few underexposed and overexposed pictures...get a good range from dark to normal normal to light pictures...more then six pictures is ok! In Photoshop CS2 it's a function under automate thats is called HDR! The hdr program ask for the pictures you want to use, u load them in and Photoshop takes care of the rest! But if you want to get bette results search for HDR tutorials on google!


Gerry

I agree HDR is a very good way for unusual effects. but i dont think the post picture is not only HDR theres much more work in it.


HDR is a fantastic way to get very nice effects! But it should be as good as the picture shown on top her...This requiers som skill in coloring an d adding shadows and light really!

To get your HDR pictures just take a few underexposed and overexposed pictures...get a good range from dark to normal normal to light pictures...more then six pictures is ok! In Photoshop CS2 it's a function under automate thats is called HDR! The hdr program ask for the pictures you want to use, u load them in and Photoshop takes care of the rest! But if you want to get bette results search for HDR tutorials on google!


Gerry

Hi Everyone.

This is a great thread. I really liked the original picture posted by Yoolan.

It is difficult to try to emulate the results without seeing the original but I thought Nancy may have been heading in the right direction with Lucis art.

Using Swampy’s picture I have been trying to write a filter to match Nancy’s results.

Here are the results so far. I used FilterForge to write this (I have not submitted it yet)

I wondered what you thought about it?
Am I getting close to Lucis?
Do you like it?
Could you suggest any improvements?

Thanks.

Ken.

Well for those of you who enjoyed her work, you can see more of her's here:

http://www.photo.net/photodb/member-photos?include=all&user_id=2171843

Her homepage is in Russian, but sadly, she doesn't appear to mention much about her techniques.

Enjoy... I'm now also curious to how this technique was done... hehe... gonna go surf some russian sites now ;) lol

Her work looks like Lucis Art with additional color and frame effects.

Here is a shot I took while at Photoshop World in Vegas a couple weeks ago. After looking at her examples I treated my image with Lucis Art Sculpture (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/lucisart.html) and nik Color Efex Pro (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/colorefexpro.html) Bi-Color Violet/Pink, followed by a touch of onOne Photo Frame (http://www.plugsnpixels.com/photoframe.html).

Close?

Here's another attempt, same software (minus Photo Frame), with slightly different settings.

I think we're on to her!

The 2nd image you did was better, but very much grainy I believe from the 1st filter you added. Hmmm..... t'is funny how we reverse engineer things around here :) Always fun to see all these trial and errors

nik Color Efex added most of the grain. Here is the original, then with Lucis Art by itself.

Feel free to mess with the original using HDR, etc.

Hmm... here's my attempt... but still far from the real technique..... so many ways of getting to a certain style... but each his own... What can be fun of trying to emulate other people's style is finding stuff out for yourself and applying it to your own work - converting all this to your own unique vision and "persona" or "signature".

Opened up my old copy of GIMP 1.x and ran Adaptive contrast. Not providing an attachment since I just couldn't take the compression anymore. The link provide shows a preview screen with settings. Unfortunately Adaptive Contrast is no longer native in GIMP 2.x. :)


http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9199/adaptivecil3.jpg