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Ernie Wells
09-11-2006, 05:06 AM
Polaroid photo has been invaded by a squash yellow over the entire photo. Limited experience with photoshop cs 8, have tried suggestions in the Katrin Eismann, Thrid Edition Book, not much success. Seeking any and all suggestions.

philbach
09-11-2006, 06:18 AM
Well I examined the channels and the blue channel was ruined. So I used apply image and selected the blue channel and used the green channel as a source for the blue channel.

I next used a levels adjustment layer and used the white eyedropper on the white area around the mule's nose and the black dropper on the back of the farmers hat.

Next I used curves to add some red and subtract some green.

HroadhogD1
09-11-2006, 06:25 AM
I looked at the channels also, and there is nothing left of the blue channel. I just did a quick hue saturation to get this. Hope this helps.

Ernie Wells
09-11-2006, 08:51 AM
I looked at the channels also, and there is nothing left of the blue channel. I just did a quick hue saturation to get this. Hope this helps. Thank you sir, being a newbee with the forum and photoshop I'm having to learn on both very quickly, my question in regard to the blue channel, how/what did you see or know that indicates the blue channel is gone or not functional? And what does that mean in getting this picture restored. Is this a show stopper? Thank so much for response, I have learned a great deal from your observations and I also tried the same thing with the Hue/Saturation. Unfortunately, my attempt fell short of your example. Once again thank you so much.

Cassidy
09-11-2006, 09:03 AM
As the cast was predominantly yellow, I used the selective colour (adjusting the yellow) and then adjusted the levels

philbach
09-11-2006, 09:04 AM
Well when there is a severe tint its good to investigate the individual channels. Both in RGB (standard) and in CYMK mode. In this case I opened the channels palette and looked at the individual channels. Enclosed is the blue channel which is ruined and needs to be dealt with.

So with the blue channel selected, I used the Image/Apply Image command in Photoshop. This replaces the selected (blue) channel with something else. In this case I selected the green channel

Finally further color balancing. I used a levels adjustment layer and with the white eyedropper clicked on the white nose area of the mule and the black eyedropper to the back of the hat.

At this point some further color correction would be helpful.

mistermonday
09-11-2006, 09:43 AM
Ernie, as other have pointed out, the blue channelis a mess and does not have much usable value. I actually filled it with black and applied a Photo Filter layer to negate the heavy yellow cast. Applied a noise filter to get rid of some of the dust marks and then did a few Selective Color adjustments to tweak parts of the image.
This is just one of many ways of attacking the problem. Essentially, as others have indicated, you will need to replace the blue channel. Photo Filter, Channel Mixer, or Hue/Saturation adjustment layers are all good options to use as a starting point.
Regards, Murray

Daviskw
09-11-2006, 09:47 AM
Hi There

Like Phil I tried a little channel work. I used CMYK and used calculations to combine the magenta and yellow channels. I scrolled thru blend modes until it looked a little better... no expert here just by eye.

Then back to RGB to play with the color... and I managed to apply too much contrast as usual...lol

Butch

Gary Richardson
09-11-2006, 10:17 AM
As everyone has already said, the blue channel is the problem here.

I replaced it with the green channel, then adjusted levels on each channel to get best result.

New layer set to color blend, and hand touched a few areas with colour from nearby areas with good colour.

Flattened image then duplicated it.

Top layer, took out blemishes with Polaroid D&S filter, applied hide all mask, then "Painted" with white to remove blemishes.

Daviskw
09-11-2006, 10:49 AM
Here is another way...

Just open a channel mixer and choose blue as the output channel.

Then lower the blur slider near 0 and bring up green and a little red. Same as replacing the blue channel directly but lets you play a little more.

Butch

Flora
09-11-2006, 10:52 AM
Hi,

Ernie,

welcome to RP!! :pleased:

Like Cass, to remove the yellow cast, I used Image > Adjustment > Selective Colors ... but I used it in a much 'stronger' way ... meaning... excluding Cyans and Magentas, I tweaked all the colours ...

Attachments 1 to 4 = the values I changed and the immediate result after the procedure.

Attachments 5 = my final result after restoration...

Hope this helps...

philbach
09-11-2006, 11:01 AM
Butch, thanks for the tip about using the channel mixer. That is a better way. Flora very nice correction & result.

Ernie Wells
09-11-2006, 11:22 AM
Ernie, as other have pointed out, the blue channelis a mess and does not have much usable value. I actually filled it with black and applied a Photo Filter layer to negate the heavy yellow cast. Applied a noise filter to get rid of some of the dust marks and then did a few Selective Color adjustments to tweak parts of the image.
This is just one of many ways of attacking the problem. Essentially, as others have indicated, you will need to replace the blue channel. Photo Filter, Channel Mixer, or Hue/Saturation adjustment layers are all good options to use as a starting point.
Regards, Murray

Your folks are better than a six credit crash course in Photoshop, thanks and am trying to repeat your work to learn all I can. Thanks a million.

Ernie Wells
09-11-2006, 11:35 AM
Ernie


Hi,

Ernie,

welcome to RP!! :pleased:

Like Cass, to remove the yellow cast, I used Image > Adjustment > Selective Colors ... but I used it in a much 'stronger' way ... meaning... excluding Cyans and Magentas, I tweaked all the colours ...

Attachments 1 to 4 = the values I changed and the immediate result after the procedure.

Attachments 5 = my final result after restoration...

Hope this helps...

You all have given me so much to think about, as I have already said, "this is a 6 credit Course in any University any where and I thank you all. Now to try and repeat everything so that I can glean the knowledge you all have offered.
Thanks again.

Ernie

Ernie Wells
09-12-2006, 09:55 AM
As the cast was predominantly yellow, I used the selective colour (adjusting the yellow) and then adjusted the levels
I'm following your suggestion to learn as much as I can, thank you and it works for me.

Ernie Wells

Ernie Wells
09-12-2006, 10:02 AM
Hi,

Ernie,

welcome to RP!! :pleased:

Like Cass, to remove the yellow cast, I used Image > Adjustment > Selective Colors ... but I used it in a much 'stronger' way ... meaning... excluding Cyans and Magentas, I tweaked all the colours ...

Attachments 1 to 4 = the values I changed and the immediate result after the procedure.

Attachments 5 = my final result after restoration...

Hope this helps...

A couple of questions, are you getting your number from the slider adjustments or do you have a matrix base line to start from?
What is your restrotation procedures?
I can come close to your version, but not to your standards.
Ernie Wells

Flora
09-13-2006, 05:48 AM
Hi Ernie,

... so glad we could be of help!!! :pleased:

are you getting your number from the slider adjustments or do you have a matrix base line to start from?... My corrections are mostly done by 'eyeballing' ... meaning .. by simply moving the sliders until I'm happy with the result ... I have a love/hate relationship with numbers ... :o: .. but I use them a a guideline when nothing else works.

What is your restrotation procedures?.. I've collected some of my restoration/retouching methods in this Tutorial (http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=206) .. but my 'trick' is working with selections ... I don't mean precise selections that take forever to make ... but loose selections of the individual parts that need to be corrected (I refine my selections with the help of a layer Mask) ... Most of the time 'my procedures' involve a lot time and surely a lot of 'tedious' work ...

leanan`si
09-13-2006, 07:01 AM
I'm glad to see you here .. aren't they just the best!

leanan :)

Ernie Wells
09-13-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm glad to see you here .. aren't they just the best!

leanan :)

so nice to hear from you as well. Had the pleasure to visit NZ during our (USA)
attempt to stop the dominoes from falling in the Pacific Rim area. Also, flew with some of your countrymen, a pleasure I will always cherrish, right along with trying to drink some Aussie's under the table. No contest, they carried me home and close down the darn place. Nice to know these folks have attracked the most wonderful people in the world. Love you all.

Ernie Wells

Cameraken
09-13-2006, 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Flora
but my 'trick' is working with selections ... I don't mean precise selections that take forever to make ... but loose selections of the individual parts that need to be corrected (I refine my selections with the help of a layer Mask) ... Most of the time 'my procedures' involve a lot time and surely a lot of 'tedious' work ...


Now if I could only write a filter to do that. :grin:

Ken

Ernie Wells
09-13-2006, 02:13 PM
Now if I could only write a filter to do that. :grin:

Ken

How did you fix the hand and face motion?
I'm still spinning my wheels, got the color management (about three ways) still working on the blurred hand and the face. Man that sure looks great. How did you get all that done?

Ernie Wells

Cameraken
09-13-2006, 03:14 PM
Hi Ernie

Welcome to Retouch Pro.
Thanks for your comments.

First I created a B&W version from 50% Red and 50% Green
I sharpened it quite heavily and then set the blending mode to Luminosity to put the colour back.

I used Selective colour like Flora to repair the colours.
To repair the blur on the hand I just painted it out, I did not do anything to the face.
A few selective levels/curves adjustments to even the exposure
Layers to colour.
Dust and Scratches filter on some of the marks.

Hope this helps.


Ken.

Ernie Wells
09-14-2006, 05:09 AM
Hi Ernie

Welcome to Retouch Pro.
Thanks for your comments.

First I created a B&W version from 50% Red and 50% Green
I sharpened it quite heavily and then set the blending mode to Luminosity to put the colour back.

I used Selective colour like Flora to repair the colours.
To repair the blur on the hand I just painted it out, I did not do anything to the face.
A few selective levels/curves adjustments to even the exposure
Layers to colour.
Dust and Scratches filter on some of the marks.

Hope this helps.


Ken.

Ken,
Thank you, I like the idea of doing the most of the work in BW, and you also avoided the messed up Blue, painted out the hand, I've been trying to recover the hand by finding another hand I could use, no luck. Love the output. thanks a million.
Ernie Wells

Brash
09-16-2006, 10:43 AM
Hi all
I've just spent the past hour or so reading these posts and following some of the techniques on Ernie's image. I've learned more about colour restoration in that hour than in 2 years of Photoshop evening classes! Thanks to philbach and Daviskw; I found your methods easy to follow and got good results. Flora, I tried your technique too, results not so good but that's probably down to me. Definitely more practice required...and I intend to look up your tutorials.
Thanks again

Wayne

Cassidy
09-16-2006, 11:02 AM
Wayne, alias Brash, is pretty well a great mob in here

Brash
09-16-2006, 11:14 AM
Cassidy, I couldn't agree more, not only great expertise but a willingness to share it and help!

Wayne

ahmetturker
09-19-2006, 04:02 PM
my work.

Hayat güzeldir.

Ernie Wells
09-19-2006, 06:27 PM
my work.

Hayat güzeldir.

Hayat,

Thanks for your input, I have learned so much from all the input I have received. I would be extremely useful, if you could tell how you arrived at the quality that you have sent to me. I still have problems getting a consistant product and your information will be most greatfully received. Please e-mail me direct kasky58@mis.net. again, thank you for your valued input.

Ernie Wells

Cameraken
09-19-2006, 07:22 PM
Hi Ahmetturker

Welcome to Retouch Pro

That it very nice :bigthmb:

Please post your method here as well. I am sure that others would be interested in your method

Ken.

Brash
09-20-2006, 02:21 PM
I hope you don't mind me following your instructions to have a go at this, I need the practice! I used Daviskw's channel mixer method, then applied a levels adjustment. I then put some more blue into the sky with colour balance + layer mask. I finished off with some spot healing to remove some of the blemishes. I stopped short of trying to fix the blurred hand, I know my limits!

Wayne

Ernie Wells
09-20-2006, 02:56 PM
I hope you don't mind me following your instructions to have a go at this, I need the practice! I used Daviskw's channel mixer method, then applied a levels adjustment. I then put some more blue into the sky with colour balance + layer mask. I finished off with some spot healing to remove some of the blemishes. I stopped short of trying to fix the blurred hand, I know my limits!

Wayne

Nice job, have taken notes and will try and it and see how I do. In regards to the hand: Mr. Bach, of this organization queried Google for the "back of a hand" and found one to replace the blurred hand, smooth move on Mr. Bach's part. I 'm working to clean up the face of the man and improve the "Focus" of the facial features so that I can see the smile or grimace on his face. It has been quite an adventure, without the expertise of the retouch pro I would still be swimming in squash yellow. As I struggle with these concepts and principles I find myself imporving those pictures I have work on in the past, as we kown education is genesis of the technology. Thank you all for so much.
Ernie Wells

Brash
09-20-2006, 03:14 PM
Thanks for the encouragement Ernie, and good luck with the hand and face

Wayne