(this tread was also in Critiques under the name: Glamour, First Attempt, im sorry if i make people angry about it??)

ORIGINAL IMAGE!(before) (http://img33.exs.cx/img33/4337/04ecuthbert.jpg)


its a Beauty make over, i give her a more female jaw, a smaller nose, bigger eyes, longer eye lashes, fuller lips, make her lips more symmetrical, perfect skin (so far is possible) and some other little things..

How would you do it?

lets me know what you think! thanks

Ruud

click here for the Retoucht image! (high resolution) (http://img54.imageshack.us/img54/6855/04ecuthbertcopybig2sf3.jpg)

Not bad dude.

Nice work! 50 people will give 50 variations. Here's mine.
Heres Mine, a little too soft.

comments:

COLOR everywhere, it's a mess
EYELASHES - too long, not real looking
HAIR - huge mess, including eyebrows.
LIPS - cmon now..
Neck lines - simplify
SKIN - blur fest
EARPIERCING - always remove hole if no earrings on

Overall - attention to details. Don't remove information - good. Add information that isn't in the original.

comments:

COLOR everywhere, it's a mess
EYELASHES - too long, not real looking
HAIR - huge mess, including eyebrows.
LIPS - cmon now..
Neck lines - simplify
SKIN - blur fest
EARPIERCING - always remove hole if no earrings on

Overall - attention to details. Don't remove information - good. Add information that isn't in the original.

Okey thanks for the information. I will do something with it, but it is Glamour so what you say about 'EYELASHES - too long, not real looking' its glamour you know and thats just normal then so long eyelashes, and the color is did nothing with it, 'HAIR - huge mess, including eyebrows.' i dont do anything with it as only I burn the eyebrows a little bit. but thanks for the res of the information :wink:

Ruud

well then in your definition 'glamour' isn't even retouching - just illustration.

edit: in your opinion, is an ad for Maybelline 'glamour' retouched or is glamour only reserved for the Sears portraits?

Because I'm busy on an ad and don't wish to waste my time..

Wow, ant, it must be great being you..keep up the good work.
Lasa

My feeble attempt

well then in your definition 'glamour' isn't even retouching - just illustration.

edit: in your opinion, is an ad for Maybelline 'glamour' retouched or is glamour only reserved for the Sears portraits?

pff, im just 14 years old that you know that, and im maybe not so good as you are, but you can also be nice and say what good is our what better can, you know and not the retoucht image ¿yelling out? 'afzeiken' (netherlands worth, i dont know the enlisch worth for it.)
so thanks.

Thanks Cassidy for the reply!

sorry ruud, not meant as a reply, only meant as an adjunct

sorry ruud, not meant as a reply, only meant as an adjunct

yeah okey, but i dont knew how you call that :wink:

yeah okey, but i dont knew how you call that :wink:
call me soft and pliable )

call me soft and pliable )

im sorry for my bad englisch i have dyslexie so im not so good in it and im netherlands.. so haha, ik dont really understand what you say now;)

just another idea in the mix

just another idea in the mix
Oh okey;)

R.

ruud92 don't worry about Ant..he's very high-ended.
Lasa

A cup of tea can work wounder :)

Here is a rough idea of some of the stuff i think "Ant" was talking about, thoue the hair is still a mess (the org pic is kinda that way so hard to do solve it) and i over did the blur on skin... and the eyes and mouth are a bit to shiny.. and so on and so on hehe ;)

Well... the whole source image is a bit off for "glamour" imo... and way to low quality with all that jpeg distortion. U need pors to do a proper "blure"... so when u got a pic like this, a blur fest is kinda unavoidable. But hey... im no pro so.. :)

And yeah... the skin still got some nasty body hair left *yikes* (and spots)... i can go on for ever :S But as i said.. its a rough idea of what I think "Ant" meant... some of the point at least :/ (right ant? or am i out on deep water?)

And hey, take it easy on him :) i really dident find anything offensive, just wise and helpfull advises. Dont take things to serious.... i just think the communication was a bit off, read it twise instead with a smile in mind.

Well.. i need to "glida till tuben" as we say sweden (stockholm)... going to the subway it is :) U guys have a good day/night (night it is here / where ever u r on this big/small globe.

Cheers!

Here's my version guys.....i tried to even skintone as best as possible, noticed not too many ppl payed so much attention to that.

crtiques are welcome and very appreciated!


http://mikeldigital.com/images/eretouch.jpg

Mine.
Tried not to go overboard on the skin smoothing.

My Version (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/133/346200251_71f525e402_o.jpg)

comments:

COLOR everywhere, it's a mess
EYELASHES - too long, not real looking
HAIR - huge mess, including eyebrows.
LIPS - cmon now..
Neck lines - simplify
SKIN - blur fest
EARPIERCING - always remove hole if no earrings on

Overall - attention to details. Don't remove information - good. Add information that isn't in the original.

I think thats great info, Ant.
I didnt catch your post before I did my retouch.. I wish I had. I would've fixed the ear, eyebrows and neck.

All feedback shouldnt be "OMG GREAT JOB". Its only through real critique that any of us will get any better.

Begin with "cmon now" for the lips. What guidance do you get from that? How about color "everywhere it's a mess"? Tell us how do you will use that comment to adjust color in this image

So you can't decipher 2 out of 7 points he made?
Than means he made 5 you can figure out... not a bad ratio. Those 5 had value, too.

Not everything has to be a warm-hearted fluffy hugfest.

My critique of yours is that it looks like the face is a painting thats been pasted onto a photo. The hair and body look real, but the face doesn't. The eyes are over-done and look toy-like. The facial skin is over-smoothed.

I'm not sure which one I prefer...

Ziaphra.....nice job removing that bkgrd object, really cleans the shot up and adds some pop.

Thank you...it really bugged me. :D

wow thanks for te reactions guys, okey ant was right for some things but i dont know how she try to mean it on te photo.. ( im sorry if you dont know what i mean to say) and thanks for te rest you know:)

R.

So you can't decipher 2 out of 7 points he made?
Than means he made 5 you can figure out... not a bad ratio. Those 5 had value, too.

Not everything has to be a warm-hearted fluffy hugfest.

My critique of yours is that it looks like the face is a painting thats been pasted onto a photo. The hair and body look real, but the face doesn't. The eyes are over-done and look toy-like. The facial skin is over-smoothed.

ehm i dont know what you mean about the eyes because i only did the eyelashes and my sister has longer than that so.. and the skin if you can see is there skins texture, and yes the jaw is to much.. ;) but i did the body the same way.. and okey youre right about that not all things have to 'warm-hearted fluffy hugfest' be but, it wassnt usefull what she sayd only on a other way if she had more information set on it you know...

R.

Here is my try.
Color
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/MacKenzie02/04ecuthbert1after12.jpg?t=1168060662

BW

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/MacKenzie02/04ecuthbert1after12bw.jpg?t=1168060706

ehm i dont know what you mean about the eyes...

I was referring to Peano.

I was referring to Peano.
oh okey im sorry;)

Here's my version guys.....i tried to even skintone as best as possible, noticed not too many ppl payed so much attention to that.

crtiques are welcome and very appreciated!


http://mikeldigital.com/images/eretouch.jpg

this one is the best so far I'd say! takes out the blemishes but leaves enough detail. still way too much "peach fuzz" on her nose, cheek, arms etc. also I'd remove some flyaways, and the teeth look soft or weird...i'd sharpen that and clean up the corners of her mouth, even up the shape of her lips, without losing detail. and then I'd fix the color of the hair so it wasn't so reddish golden, and maybe put a tad more detail back under the eyes. and smooth the forehead a tad. ha, sorry I guess I like to go on forever with these things. while I'm at it the bottom right of the lip has some weird lookin highlights. overall headed in the right direction.

good luck!!

I'm not sure which one I prefer...

this looks great, i'd def go for the first one...the second one is way too dirty yellow in the skin. the first could use a *tad* bit more color in the skin. she's slightly drained lookin. but nice overall!

What I Did...

Added Blur
Adusted Curve and Levels
Darkened eyebrows
Defined lips and added deeper color
Added more gloss
2 layers of tooth whitening
Colored the iris green used softlight and 75% opacity
Whitened the eyes
Retouched the pupil
Added matching color to right cheek and added softlight and 75% opacity
Added red, gold and brown highlights to hair and added softlight and 75% opacity
Cropped


Gretchen

newclear...thanks for the indept critique, helpful and on-point.

i would loved to fix everything on the pic, but times an issue these days!

thanks again!

What I Did...

Added Blur
Adusted Curve and Levels
Darkened eyebrows
Defined lips and added deeper color
Added more gloss
2 layers of tooth whitening
Colored the iris green used softlight and 75% opacity
Whitened the eyes
Retouched the pupil
Added matching color to right cheek and added softlight and 75% opacity
Added red, gold and brown highlights to hair and added softlight and 75% opacity
Cropped


Gretchen

Thats great you should put that on you ebay page

HI this is my go at it, let me know what changes need to be made. thanks :cat:

Hi
This is my try with that picture.

I think you did a really good job here.

I would tame the flyaways and continue the air brushed complection down the rest of her body. It seems you stopped at the face. all of the skin needs the same amount of treatment.
The lip could use a bit of attention.And below the brow area could use some smoothing.
But all in all I say your gonna be a star. keep working on it.This really is about seeing deeper into an image. Your right on track by asking for advice though. Sometimes you can get so close to a project it's hard to see it anymore.
As brutal as Ant is being he does have some good points. The ear ring marks should come off. I don't agree about the lashes though. I feel you did an excellant job there.
Keep it up . I look forward to seeing more of your work.

Bojin

Here's my take on the subject.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a398/gmonkeh/04ecuthbert.jpg

Noone has commented on my try:( I can honestly say I think my play on it is of the better ones too. oh well. lol

my first posting on here.....here is my attempt

http://www.lancea.net/elisha.jpg

my first posting on here.....here is my attempt

http://www.lancea.net/elisha.jpg

I actually like that a lot. Good job.

I actually like that a lot. Good job.

thanks i appreciate the compliment

Here is my attempt. Before and after.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l118/BitByShutterBug/RNT-Retouch.jpg

Please copy and paste. I couldn't find an embed feature.

--Ron
www.ronaldntan.com

Noone has commented on my try:( I can honestly say I think my play on it is of the better ones too. oh well. lol

nothing wrong in thinking yu have done a good job...because you have...very nice work...the cleanest picture i think...only minr flaw is the cheek hair on the left cheek..stands out abitin tht shadow area. I would have tried to erase the lines under the right eye more...not all the way, but abit more there...the eyes are very nice, cleand coloruful!


good job

gerry

here is my version

Here is my try.
Color
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/MacKenzie02/04ecuthbert1after12.jpg?t=1168060662

BW

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c154/MacKenzie02/04ecuthbert1after12bw.jpg?t=1168060706


There is something about BW photos that catch my interest every time. Really nice job.... very very nice without going overboard on the glamour... I like that.

Noone has commented on my try:( I can honestly say I think my play on it is of the better ones too. oh well. lol

great job on the color version.i would like to know how you did it.
one thing about the b/w version,the hair looks a little bit to white to me

Hi!

Here is my version:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w109/szitamarci/retouch_3.jpg

Bye!

My 2 cents:
it is an excellent original, so – imo – retouching doesn't have to be dramatic. Increased brightness in eye-white and teeth, added eye-shadow (dodge), blurred and/or cloned skin blemishes, increased saturation in the lips, added 'warm' photo filter (81).

Looky here for the B4 & After:
http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i319/RokcetScientist/04ecuthbert-cRS.jpg

Here is my example, one natural look and one more agressive.
So, what do u think ?

In my opinion, this is very cool.

Here is my work! What do u think?

I have one more question: What would be your price for a job like this? Thx


Best Regards, S

Hey Ruud, I think you have a good start there. And only being 14 years old!!!! I can't believe it. It's always good to learn new tricks and try some crazy things to see what you can come up with. I will work on a version for you of mine. I've had a lot of "accidents" show me new ideas. Keep up the good work.

Hey Ruud, I think you have a good start there. And only being 14 years old!!!! I can't believe it. It's always good to learn new tricks and try some crazy things to see what you can come up with. I will work on a version for you of mine. I've had a lot of "accidents" show me new ideas. Keep up the good work.

Hey Thanks alot for your comment!:D i appreciate that;)! i will look out for it;)!

R.

Here is my work! What do u think?

I have one more question: What would be your price for a job like this? Thx


Best Regards, S

Nice! only the eyebrows look abit fake for me? and the color of the shirt is looking fake, but for the rest, it looks great!

R.

Here is my example, one natural look and one more agressive.
So, what do u think ?

In my opinion, this is very cool.

it looks really good, but i have to say a few thing about it;)

the 'bags' under the eyes are completely gone, that doenst look real;) i like the first one the most because the seccond one is to yellow;)

R.

Here is my version.

Wish I had more time for the finer details.

Here is my version.

Wish I had more time for the finer details.

Beautiful! only one thing, I think you have to do the dodge and burn technique on her face, to bring more life in it;)!

thanks for your version!

I looked back at it and your right,

Thanks for the critique

My proposition

Artur Magdziarz
www.album123.eu

it looks really good, but i have to say a few thing about it;)

the 'bags' under the eyes are completely gone, that doenst look real;) i like the first one the most because the seccond one is to yellow;)

R.

Thanx. I removed bags, because u wanted to see glamour retouch, .. ;)

Cheers

Cropped it to show more of her face.

Syd

Cropped it to show more of her face.

Syd

I have nothing to say at it, just perfect

i know i'm not that good in that glamour thing. so just hope a few like my work on it. seen alot of very good retouchs in here. :)

1stly Hi all,

Right I'm just getting into this whole retouching thing, so please let me know what you think. Tried to keep it fairly natural looking...........


(Photoshop it's a beast keeping it under 100k aint it!!!)

Bit closer lower quality tho

Those look great! very good for just getting started!

Thanks Paula much appreciated

By contrast, I've been looking around here and I'm liking Dave Hill's stuff, this is my take on him...........

Any feedback for this or the others gratefully recieved!

Stuck em on a website so I don't have to squeeze them down to 100k!

http://img105.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=02659_Cuthbert_Glam_122_698lo.jpg

http://img45.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=16364_cuthbert_d_hill_2_copy_122_1053lo.jpg

Please check them, I need some more feedback

right last one for me

http://img131.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=17938_cuthbert_d_hill_2bw_copy_122_383lo.jpg

I've been wanting to do this one all day. Finally home and settled.

I desaturated at the end for fun and realized that it looks pretty great with a slight sepia tone to it. Here are both of my renditions.

I like it!:D

Hi

Here is my try, looked the pictures above, they are really great

saby

enjoyed working with this one. here are my tries.

Hey guys.This is my try,both color and BW.What do you think?
I tried to keep the subject as close to the original as possibile

Color Version
http://bp0.blogger.com/_a-obe28N9g4/RjyusU8VhDI/AAAAAAAAAAc/Kg289g8vbEA/s1600-h/Color.jpg

BW
http://bp3.blogger.com/_a-obe28N9g4/Rjyu7E8VhEI/AAAAAAAAAAk/i48cOdc10UI/s1600-h/BW.jpg

Hi Ruud,

I'm from the Netherlands too, i live in Amsterdam. And i'm also Dutch (calling it 'Netherlands' is incorrect ;-)
Being 14 you're doing a good job. I'm not a retouch pro or anything but if you've got any questions feel free to mail or call me.

Vriendelijke groet,

Frank

Hi Ruud,

I'm from the Netherlands too, i live in Amsterdam. And i'm also Dutch (calling it 'Netherlands' is incorrect ;-)
Being 14 you're doing a good job. I'm not a retouch pro or anything but if you've got any questions feel free to mail or call me.

Vriendelijke groet,

Frank


hey Frank, yes I know;) thank you! this is exually an old photo i did, the newest one did i with D&B ( see first try at dodge and burn in forum)
we will see;)

hi ya all, great photo to play with, I had fun with this one.

ronsotophoto……she reminds me of sharon stone in casino, at the end right before she takes her hot dose!