two years of requests and no one end up with a good step by step tutorial?

you all know who you are, we all know who they are.

:confused:
OK

do you mean?
Buzz Drum n Bass Tutorial : Part 1/4??

Thats on another web site.

Dodge and Burn -- for skin

I have posted some links to tutorials recently, but the D&B tutorial writers here are busy doing their retouching work -- I'm sure they intend to post when they have time to get a tutorial done. If I knew how to do it well, I'd post, but instead I post links to those who do... ;)


http://dgrin.smugmug.com/gallery/1170442/1

"...There are three ways to approach skin retouching. The most common is to think like a plastic surgeon: you graft skin from a healthy area onto the problem spots and hope you can minimize the scars. But imperfections can also take the form of unwanted variations in dark and light areas. Rather than replacing an unwanted area, we dodge or burn the areas, lightening or darkening just enough to bring them into balance. Sometimes the problem is one of mismatched color, and we must find a way to exploit color correction techniques...." This article explains the dodge/burn process on a separate layer as well as other methods, and it does have photos.

NO, NO, NO, the first link is bad explained, hes another XXXXX, he doesnt wanna tell us anything, like people of this forum, they dont want to, theyre not busy, Busy to write or automaticaly capture from the screen while they work?, they are not busy when they upload their challenges to say -Look look my work, do you like it?-. AHHH, i so hate that., the first time i saw them saying they were going to upload something was on 2004/2005, since then, u both Cj and Sw have been waiting for it, like me and many others, AND LIKE THEM BEFORE KNOW THE METHOD.

thats not my kind of photography, i dont like manipulating pictures, i like real things, i can change the light , color..., never faces nor bodies, and i dont like working on those faces from dumb anorexic girls working for -such- companies, just to let you know they r not the kind of people who should register on forums likethis one(and others), if we all in the net were like that..... you would nt know photoshop, digital pix or flickr.

I am curious, just that, no more, and i'm curious because they wanted me to be it spreading their -LOOK WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH D&B-, -LEARN D&B- ........

Share and let share, or be quiet.

And thank you cj and Sw, you always so nice helping out... i know if you knew you would...

Edited for inappropriate language. This is a family forum, please remember this when you post.

Gary

gabrielitorha

This is not the place to be calling anyone names. I've been on this forum for about two years and I can't recall any of your posts. Many people drop in and out of this forum. Perhaps the person who promised a tutorial is no longer around? I don't know, but ranting about someone not uploading a tutorial is not acceptable to me.

No one is here to serve your needs or demands. I suggest you Google "Dodge and Burn Tutorial" and take your rants elsewhere.

Hi,

I've also tried to track down that tutorial.No luck.
Anyway, the info concerning d&b can be found in Kastrin Eismann's 3rd edition book on retouching & compositing.I do not have the book but the reviews seem to be very favorable.A good work around is to dup. layer, exclude everything but flesh, desat., change layer mode to luminosity or soft light, adjust opacity to your liking, apply s curve or use dodge and burn technique. Also, check out professional photoshop by Dan Margulis.

Take Care,

Ah...but Gabriel, you did not say the magic word :wink:
And why not throw down the gauntlet while you're at it- post an image for folks to play with, with an explanation of what you want to know/acheive with a request for detailed help/feedback/walkthroughs etc. Your thread will be like a customised tutorial. :thumbsup:

not sure if this is what your are looking for but i did a google search and came up with this.
http://retouchpro.com/tutorials/?m=show&id=209

gabrielitorha, please do not use insulting words in your posts.

If you have been visiting this forum for years, you should know that we are a polite and friendly group of people who love to work on pictures. Only a few of the folks who post here work in the glamour industry where silky skin is expected, and those folks have given tips on achieving that look in a number of threads. From the links that I have already provided, and the threads already posted on this website, it appears that dodge/burn on a separate layer (either 50% gray set to overlay layer blending mode or simply an empty layer set to overlay or soft light blending mode) is simply a matter of many, many, many strokes of black and white to lighten dark areas and darken light areas to finally bring all the skin-tones together to look smooth and flawless. (One thread here has a dodge/burn layer uploaded by the person who did the before and after image. It looks very time consuming to me, but when you start off with a beautiful glamour model's photo shot by a professional photographer, perhaps it takes less time than when I try the look on a "regular" person's face.

Some people use Curves to achieve this -- see the link below quoting Heyrad.

We all share what we know with others here, and that includes some professionals who share information that is part of how they make their living -- they should be thanked for sharing instead of keeping it to themselves, which they have every right to want to do to protect their livelihood.

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/114354-post7.html -- a post by Shellby quoting another member Heyrad's posted method for smoothing skin (search for Heyrad's posts for more info)

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/132722-post134.html TheVeed explains some settings.

Shellby's thread on highly polished skin -- there is a lot of reading to do in this thread and others regarding skin retouching -- some posts have info and some have questions, and there are disagreements on what looks best and what settings work best, but there is a lot of info available for anyone who is serious about improving their skills at working with skin textures.
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-retouching/11842-how-get-highly-polished-skin.html?highlight=dodge+softlight

I'm still looking for the post (and the thread) that included the before/after image of a woman's face with the added image of the dodge/burn layer showing the strokes that made the difference -- I downloaded the images and placed the d/b layer over the Before layer and the results were excellent. When I find it again, I'll post a link. We have a bunch of threads with the subject of skin -- I think the answers are all here -- just need to read and practice and read and practice, and .... :)

gabrielitorha....its the most basic concept.....you burn the light areas and dodge the darker areas until they start to neutrtalize.

and im sure most people on this forum built up their retouching techniques with long nights of practice. no one wants to spend the time anymore! everyones looking for the "perfect skin filter"

The perfect skin filter and the magic bullet pill to learn PhotoShop.

CJ & Gabrielitorha....thanks for the D&B tutorials.

Thank you for the post

Guys,

As a newbie to this site and to retouching, I would like to say thanks to all the people who do put the time and effort in to helping us new guys out. Most of the guys on this forum do understand that you guys are busy and and that putting down what you know in a tutorial does take a lot of time and effort and if you can then we thank you.

Thanks for the above tutorials BTW

Cheers

Michael

Guys,

As a newbie to this site and to retouching, I would like to say thanks to all the people who do put the time and effort in to helping us new guys out. Most of the guys on this forum do understand that you guys are busy and and that putting down what you know in a tutorial does take a lot of time and effort and if you can then we thank you.

Thanks for the above tutorials BTW

Cheers

Michael

AMEN! I agree.

but Heyrad explained EVERYTHING copy and paste it to your machine. Print it out and read it over and over again. Then do up an image step by step using his Dodge and Burn method. It is all there in black and white.

We are all really lucky here that he even disclosed how to do skin using dodge and burn as most retouchers out there at his level are reluctant to just tell people.

what a brat.

i think if i hear the words dodge & burn again im gonna put a bullet in my head!

(just joking around, i know newbies are eager to learn)

if you dont understand the tuturial perhaps you need to get your photoshop up to a level where you do. Do some online tutorials, get some books out. When you can uderstand his tutorial then you are ready to do it.

but Heyrad explained EVERYTHING ....

Hi Shellby,

where did he exactly?

saby

Hi Shellby,

where did he exactly?

saby

ok... I really really really don't understand.

I found this in less than 5 seconds because IN THIS SAME THREAD someone already link to it!!!!

From Heyrad's post:


Everything being discussed here so far can be considered a great way of achieving the end result. The important consideration here is flexibility. If you use a GRAY layer in an overlay/soft mode, you can dodge and burn with white or black till your heart's content.. The problem is, that if your dodging and burning are on the same layers-- no flexibility... If you REALLY wanna get your hands dirty and do things the smart way... Here's a method that I developed to help get the job done with the most flexibility and control...

After I remove the pimples and do light spotting on an image, I create a layer set and call it "D&B". In that layer set I create(in this order from bottom to top) adjustment layers... Curve(LIGHTEN), Curve(DARKEN),HUE(DESAT),CURVE(CONTRAST). On the LIGHTEN curve, I lighten the mids and fill the layer with black to hide. With this layer, I'll paint with white at about 1-5% depending to lighten dark spots on the skin. on the DARKEN curve I darken the mids and fill with black as well so that I can use this to darken light spots on the skin-- the goal here is to even out the skin tones. The HUE layer is used to desaturate the image. Lord knows we get tired of looking at a monitor. Desaturating helps my eyes when I'm working on fine detail. The CONTRAST curve is helpful to display the dark/light spots better-- again for my old eyes... I select a point on the CONTRAST curve that represents the dark/light spotting of the skin and I pump an S curve in it to bring out the contrast so I can see it better... After zooming in to about elevendy billion percent to work on the fine points of the skin, I begin to zoom out and use larger brushes... When I'm finished and happy with the results. I turn off the CONTRAST and HUE curves and VIOLA.... total control. Now you can color adjust your little heart out and not effect the dodging and burning. You've got total control of the dark and light curves and you can easily revisit them with your little paint brush.



Are you ppl even trying?

I'm not in a good mood this morning, maybe that's why I think this IS REALLY REALLY REALLY ANNOYING!!

Have a nice day everybody :)

Natalia

ok... I really really really don't understand.

I found this in less than 5 seconds because IN THIS SAME THREAD someone already link to it!!!!...

Give the light for blind Natalia you mean this:

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-retouching/12869-great-tutorial-skin.html#post114354

or it's in the tutorials

saby

Give the light for blind Natalia you mean this:

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-retouching/12869-great-tutorial-skin.html#post114354

or it's in the tutorials

saby


Exactly that (I've quoted her already ya know?)

So... you really need a Tutorial? That's the most detailed explanation I've read about this technique :)

You have other ways to aproach it, but it's all the same concept.
And D&B (using one technique or the other) takes hours, a lot of hard work.
Good luck, it's the only way to go!

It is true a tutorial with pictures etc will not really add any more value to the words already spoken. Look for any doge and burn tutorial/method and apply what you see there to what you have read here.

Basically things with the same essential color only show up because the light falling on them creates shadows and equally it creates highlights. Reduce both and there is your method.

I have watched it done and it takes a long time, it is a simple technique that requires a lot of patience and great resolution original (if you want to do it right)

Exactly that (I've quoted her already ya know?)

...

where he(Heyrad) "...explaining everything... written by Shellby" in this thread???? above link for a thread he(Heyrad) had never written

saby

where he(Heyrad) "...explaining everything... written by Shellby" in this thread???? above link for a thread he(Heyrad) had never written

saby

Originally Posted by shellby
From Heyrad's post:

Ok Natalia my next sentence will make U upset but,i don't mind because you're so far away from me. if i search about Heyrad's post i can get something else but NOT ABOUT THE D&B WHERE HE EXPLAINING EVERITHING

this was the cause of my question to shellby: where did he exactly

cheers
saby

Ok Natalia my next sentence will make U upset but,i don't mind because you're so far away from me. if i search about Heyrad's post i can get something else but NOT ABOUT THE D&B WHERE HE EXPLAINING EVERITHING

this was the cause of my question to shellby: where did he exactly

cheers
saby

May be it would make me upset if I could understand it... but english is not my native lenguaje and I really don't know what you mean by: i don't mind because you're so far away from me :)

You can't find the post because it's not longer there ... he edited for some reason.

But Shelby quoted him, so you can read it from her quote.... what's the problem, hun?

xx

Natalia

IS REALLY REALLY REALLY ANNOYING!!
Natalia

You have problem Natalia i guess.

I read this thread, found the links - it's not so hard even a man like me- i've read shellby's great quoting and i tried to search the original post, i couldn't so i took a question to shellby she may can tell me about and suddenly you wrote this s**t above and below you ask: what is the problem, hun? Your beautifull name relay softness why are you so aggressive?

... so far away physically

saby

saby the blue arrow next to the quote will take you to the original thread that the quote was taken from. There you will see that Shellby wrote: "From Heyrad's post:..."

I assume the post was in that thread but as you know members can and often do edit what they post from time to time so the original text maybe now lost. It could also ave been an explanation Heyrad provided via a private message, email or someplace else. Hence the manual quote used by Shellby and not the automatic one.

Please we don't need to have a heated discussion, we all want the same thing, to gain knowledge and to impart it when we can.

You have problem Natalia i guess.

I read this thread, found the links - it's not so hard even a man like me- i've read shellby's great quoting and i tried to search the original post, i couldn't so i took a question to shellby she may can tell me about and suddenly you wrote this s**t above and below you ask: what is the problem, hun? Your beautifull name relay softness why are you so aggressive?

... so far away physically

saby

Ok... you need a time off... have a cup of tea or something...

I don't know where you get I'm being aggresive, I'm only trying to help :)

Natalia,

when you are annoyed, you can't help anybody and i think you exactly know what i meant, but you are a lady so i have to moralize, when you ask: what is the problem? that is the triing to help, but when you ask: what is the problem, hun?, that is a cast of agressivity.

i had my tea

saby

saby the blue arrow next to the quote will take you to the original thread that the quote was taken from. There you will see that Shellby wrote: "From Heyrad's post:..."

I assume the post was in that thread but as you know members can and often do edit what they post from time to time so the original text maybe now lost. It could also ave been an explanation Heyrad provided via a private message, email or someplace else. Hence the manual quote used by Shellby and not the automatic one.

Please we don't need to have a heated discussion, we all want the same thing, to gain knowledge and to impart it when we can.

Hi Creeduk,

I think you should read this discussion from i took just a question and be broad with me, i know what the blue arrow does and know about private message and e-mail. I bag your pardon if my words hurts you, i'm here to learn and help if i can, but i think the moderator of this forum will tell me if i was overheated or not.

best regards
saby

Take the personal drama to PM