This is my very first go. Kept the colours a bit dull and washed out because I think that may be how it was back then, but would welcome your thoughts.

Hi Hilda,

Unfortunately your image sizes are way too small, maybe another can find Flora's tips for resizing please

OK, Thanks, Ive read Floras notes and the files are now correct size.
Thank you.

First thing that hits me is it is incomplete.

None of the characters have any skin tone, and there are a whole other areas without any colour.

You do need to colour everything if you're going to colour at all.

I won't comment on the actual areas you have coloured, I realise you're at an early stage in learning to colour, besides without colour in the other untouched areas it is hard to judge what the overall effect might be.

Thanks for your interest Gary. Actually I did put a skin tone on them all, perhaps its too weak. Even the buttonholes have a pale yellow on them. I wasnt sure what to do about the mens suits, as grey seemed to fit the period. ~Do you think I should have done something with them. I was sort of mindfull of less is more...
I hope you will look at my second attempt at another old photo which Im posting later. Thanks again.

OK, this is my second attempt at colouring. At least here I coloured everything, even the eyes, and I added lighting. I took the old background out as it looked more like a cave wall than a room.

Had a quick play with your coloured image.

I'm not much good at colouring, so there'll undoubtedly be others along to do a better job. I just wanted to hand on a few tips. I've tried to keep as much as possible to the colours you chose.

First, when putting something into a new background, try and ensure the edges aren't obvious, by a little cloning and blurring I was able to reduce some of the more obvious ones you'd left.

Secondly, when colouring, try to use more than one tone in any coloured area. The highlights and shadow colours will not be the same as the mid-tone colour. You can use Blur to hide any obvious colour transitions.

This is by no means a finished picture, but hopefully will give you a few ideas.

Agree your colouring is much more realistic. What do you use for skin tones? Since your comment yesterday I have been colouring the wedding photo completely, - they even have lippy!. Do you think its any good now, or are there still some glaring mistakes.

Hi Hilda and welcome to RetouchPRO.

Your first go was quite ambitious! I recommend you start with smaller, less intricate images with a single subject and work your way up to multiple subjects as you gain experience.

Your second image is a good example with which to start.

Check out this tutorial (http://www.worth1000.com/tutorial.asp?sid=161015). It's considered by many to be the best method for colorizing B&W photos.

However, I prefer colorizing in LAB and painting directly into the A&B channels.

Go to Image>Mode>LAB Color

Paint directly into the A & B channels. Use a soft brush with a VERY low opacity and flow (10% or so) until you get a feel for what you're doing.

To begin:

Hit the D key to get the default colors.

Open the Channels palette. This step is optional. Display the palette only to keep track of which channel is being worked on. Once you're confident with the technique displaying the channels palette is not necessary.

Use Cmd/Ctrl 2 to select the A channel. This channel affects green-magenta.
Use Cmd/Ctrl 3 to select the B channel. This channel affects blue-yellow.

After selecting a channel hit the tilde ~ key to view the composite image so you can see the changes.

Painting with black on the A channel will send the pixels towards green, white will make them magenta.

Painting with black on the B channel will send the pixels towards blue, white will make them yellow.

Black in both the A & B channels will create cyan, white will create red. However, you can't paint in both channels at the same time.

50% gray in both channels is neutral, no color at all. These are your whites, greys, and blacks. This is what your A & B channels will look like at first.

To remove color or erase mistakes paint with 50% gray.

With all this painting you will never harm detail.

Your A & B channels should end up being very subtle, blurry shades of grey. To help get an idea of what the A & B channels should look like when you're done, open a color image which is similar to your working image and convert it to LAB. Then view its A & B channels.

As a final step you should convert the image to RGB (Image>Mode>RGB).

This can be a very fast and painterly technique. Once you get the hang of it the actual mechanics boil down to changing brush size and opacity, hitting the X key to swap black & white, and switching channels to target colors.

Here's a before (http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x36/Graphics23_Forums/RetouchPRO/colorized/roys001web.jpg) and after (http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x36/Graphics23_Forums/RetouchPRO/colorized/roys001web-Colored2.jpg) which I did using this technique.

Let me know if you try it and what you think.

Here are my thoughts on your second image:

The first thing I noticed is the extremely harsh edges throughout. Colorizing is very much about transitions and attention to detail. Your masking is much too obvious.

One solution to soften transitions is to use a slight Gaussian Blur on your masks followed by a Levels adjustment to fine tune.

Also notice the hair around the forehead. You've painted the skin tone onto the hair. And the area under the subject's right forearm not only doesn't follow the arm but also spills onto the desk. This is why attention to detail is so important.

I think replacing the background is a mistake. There's quite a bit of detail back there, such as the wainscoting, which adds to the charm of the picture. It also makes the subject look like she was cutout and pasted on like a Monty Python cartoon.

I hope my comments don't appear too harsh, but this is the Critique room. :)

If you have any questions about the LAB technique don't hesitate to ask.

Good luck,

Michael

i thought your 1st image looked good, but as others have pointed out the edges need to have a better transition.....i actually prefer the subtle colors, but you have to color everything in the photo, i normally convert a grayscale image to cmyk and use adjustment layers...this allows you to go back and adjust not only the hue and luminosity but the masks as well...i find that as i am working on an image, certain areas the looked fine by themselves will tend to need some sort of adjustment once the rest of the image is colorized and that's where the advantage of the adjustment layers come into play...

Interesting technique Michael, never tried working in LAB, must give it a try.

Hilda, your second attempt with the Wedding Photo is a distinct improvement on your earlier attempt.

For skin tones I use the Bruce's Skin Tones chart. We used to have it as a download, don't know where it is now, so I've posted the charts below, one for skin tones one for hair.

Just save them to your computer somewhere where you can find them, then open them in Photoshop (or any other image editor) and you can sample colours off them.

Thanks everyone. Theres much to learn! I shall go away and try all the techniques recommended here. Ive printed out your posts and downloaded your work to use as reference points.
Then I'll be back......!

Michael thanks. Ive tried your pic and the face is great. The beard has come out a bit multi coloured . Otherwise great technique, so realistic.
Perhaps this is a daft question, but could you open up a solid colour layer of blue, one of green, yellow and red with blend mode set to colour and paint in the same way, or is there something special about working the image in Lab mode?

wow i think you did a great job =]

Well thank you. You have put a smile on my face. Its nice to have positive feedback, it was my first go after all!
Ali W

Michael,
I tried your method on coloring B&W photos and was amazed at the results! Very good...
Ali W, I think you did a great job on coloring your picture. After seeing the 1st one I was amazed at how well the colors you picked worked out. Your second try at coloring the whole photo is even better.
I know you said you kept the colors dull, but why not just try to make them pop out more with richer and brighter skin tones?

Michael thanks. Ive tried your pic and the face is great. The beard has come out a bit multi coloured . Otherwise great technique, so realistic.
Perhaps this is a daft question, but could you open up a solid colour layer of blue, one of green, yellow and red with blend mode set to colour and paint in the same way, or is there something special about working the image in Lab mode?

In the case of colorizing a B&W, there are many advantages to working in LAB.

The A&B channels can stand a LOT of manipulation that other color modes simply can't handle. For example, one can use just about any filter on the A&B channels and never harm detail. One practical application is to soften transitions, a moderate amount of Gaussian Blur to the A&B is all it takes.

Another advantage is dealing with blown out highlights or plugged up shadows. In RGB, a color can't be both as white as possible and have color. White in RGB is 255r, 255g, 255b. As soon as you add color, the pixels get darker. This means that when colorizing in RGB, when a layer is set to the Color Blend Mode, you can't add color to white areas. This is not the case in LAB where you can ask Photoshop to give you a pixel that's as white as you can get (100L) and have color.

There are other advantages as well; channel blending, sharpening, and increasing color variation to name just a few.

I have a few more LAB colorizing tricks up my sleeve, but I'm going on vacation soon and won't be back until the beginning of October. I'll check back then and if you still have any questions I'll follow-up with some more tips.

Regards,

Michael

Thanks Michael, have a good holiday. Love to hear about your other tips when you are back.
Rgds
Ali W

In the case of colorizing a B&W, there are many advantages to working in LAB.

Another advantage is dealing with blown out highlights or plugged up shadows. In RGB, a color can't be both as white as possible and have color. White in RGB is 255r, 255g, 255b. As soon as you add color, the pixels get darker. This means that when colorizing in RGB, when a layer is set to the Color Blend Mode, you can't add color to white areas. This is not the case in LAB where you can ask Photoshop to give you a pixel that's as white as you can get (100L) and have color.


Regards,

Michael

being able to add color to an area with no detail is likely to lead to some very bright areas which will look very unrealistic...

I took your picture Michael, and coloured it in both LAB and using solid colours at low opacity and mixing red blue green yellow. Although the same overall effect was the same, the whites were very dull, whilst the picture in LAB seemed almost 3D by comparison.
Is it really possible though to colour a very complex pic, say like my wedding group, via the LAB method, it would take for ever wouldnt it? And what about when I want white or black, or is the theory that I shouldnt need it?
I realise your on vacation, but one or two others are following this thread and they may have the answers I need.
In case some of you out there think my questions are a bit basic, my experience is in Illustrator and InDesign, and Im fairly new to Photoshop.
Ali W

In your second image, the dress sleeves end above the elbow; the elbows themselves are bare and she wears semi-transparent lace sleeves on her forearms.

I think the background is a photographer's painted backdrop. I couldn't quite figure it out, but I went with a lake scene.

Pierre