Hi people!

Take a look at this:

http://www.ipanemagiselebundchen.com.br/
http://forum.brfoto.com.br/index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=31117

It's from a adv. campaign here in Brazil, with the Top Model Gisele Bündchen. They put her in a water dress!
A six mouth job!

Hope you like it!

that's a great composition. I've never masked those splashy-spilling water shots before, but imagine it would be a major pain with the transparencies.

that's a great composition. I've never masked those splashy-spilling water shots before, but imagine it would be a major pain with the transparencies.

I've tried once.... it's painfull XD

Teacher of mine said that they usually mix hard light, screen and linear light to make water transparent.... and of course, in grayscale.

Editing*

Just found the others compositions.

http://www.portaldapropaganda.com/imagens_portal/p1/comunicacao/2007/09/0011/imagens_editor_ext/Gisele_1_felipe.jpg

http://www.portaldapropaganda.com/imagens_portal/p1/comunicacao/2007/09/0011/imagens_editor_ext/Gisele_2_felipe.jpg

http://www.portaldapropaganda.com/imagens_portal/p1/comunicacao/2007/09/0011/imagens_editor_ext/Gisele_3_felipe.jpg

That's hot. Recently I have been doing a lot of composites with clear glass. I want to do this now.

i wonder if that water was illustrated or not, what do you guys think?

i wonder if that water was illustrated or not, what do you guys think?

It wasn't.

What they're sayin here is that Gisele Bündchen was photographed in NY and another brasilian model was photographed here. They took 10.000 pictures from the second model. 3 Days of work. She stands in front of camera and while water was throwed on her.

After that, they bind both model's pictures....

oh thanks, JMB, i didn't read into it, just checked out the fliks.

They took 10.000 pictures from the second model. 3 Days of work. She stands in front of camera and while water was throwed on her.

Sitting here pondering the poor second model's fee for three days of having water thrown on her. I thought modeling was supposed to be a real glamour job :)

it looks amazing ! And I like the site too. I understand portuguese so I checked out the making of ... great advertising idea too !

Excellent stuff. I've always heard that water is one of the most difficult things to capture or paint.

Sitting here pondering the poor second model's fee for three days of having water thrown on her. I thought modeling was supposed to be a real glamour job :)

One is a Big top model, the other is still beginning (20 years old, I think).....

Now guess who were really naked in the photos?

:wink:

It's a shame, Giselle has such a perfect body. Not that I'm complaining..

Very Nice.

Water is not so hard to mask out depending on how it was shot etc. Calculations can give you both the edge and the transparency quite nicely.
This stuff was great, very creative.

Chris

chris, i figured calculations would be best way to go with it, would just take a little experimenting depending on background. plus maybe some overlay layers. maybe i'll search for a hirez shot and try it out.

It's a shame, Giselle has such a perfect body. Not that I'm complaining..

The "problem" is: No matter what, Gisele doesn't get naked in photos, for no money, never =)

chris, i figured calculations would be best way to go with it, would just take a little experimenting depending on background. plus maybe some overlay layers. maybe i'll search for a hirez shot and try it out.

Find a file and send it to me. I'll break down the calculations for you if you run into trouble.

Chris

Chris's forum name should be abacus. Dude does some mad calculations. Taught me some of the goods today as a matter of fact.

hey chris, having trouble coming across a hirez water shot, decent one at least, would you mind taking a crack at this one, i'll give it a shot on my end, and we'll compare? Or do you need something better quality maybe? let me know. thanks.

what i'll try and do is mask it saving some opaqueness, with a mix of transperency so that i can stick some image or lettering behind it, and then give it that distorted looking through glass look.

The "problem" is: No matter what, Gisele doesn't get naked in photos, for no money, never =)

She's done it in the past thou... :-)

hey chris, having trouble coming across a hirez water shot, decent one at least, would you mind taking a crack at this one, i'll give it a shot on my end, and we'll compare? Or do you need something better quality maybe? let me know. thanks.

what i'll try and do is mask it saving some opaqueness, with a mix of transperency so that i can stick some image or lettering behind it, and then give it that distorted looking through glass look.

I'll give it a try. JMB sent me something in a PM that looks promising.

As soon as I can though. : )

Chris

cool, keep me posdted chris, i know the shot sucks!

I'll give it a try. JMB sent me something in a PM that looks promising.

As soon as I can though. : )

Chris

Yep. Have fun =)

And show results...and how to get there, hehe.

She's done it in the past thou... :-)

Really? Never saw... The closest thing I saw from her being naked were to be photographed with a really small bikini...

Yep. Have fun =)

And show results...and how to get there, hehe.

JMB

Yours was easier than kr1156's. At least yours was only one calculations move and one apply image move.
His is a little more complicated because of the glass, which I guess you can paint out the rim.

I will post the settings in each tool. JMB, you will need to make your higher quality image available somehow.

I will post them on Monday. Just had a bone graft an hour ago so not really up to it.

I am willing to bet Stroker can come up with something way better than what I did. Wonder if he will come out of his rock for this....?

Chris

I'm new to all this here...what do you guys mean by calculation concerning the water?!

I was astonished by the effects here...and all thos pictures put together! it was nic to see! They have thrown the water in special directions to get it to "bend" so they can achieve this water/clothes effect?

Gerry

that's some pretty fine photoshop skills being used there.

I will post the settings in each tool. JMB, you will need to make your higher quality image available somehow.

I'll be more than glad to host it if someone points me a place for upload a 6,76 mb image =)

Anyone knows any place?

I'll be more than glad to host it if someone points me a place for upload a 6,76 mb image =)

Anyone knows any place?

try www.yousendit.com

http://download.yousendit.com/3E3CA6121E9AA3CD

So? Did it work?

Really? Never saw... The closest thing I saw from her being naked were to be photographed with a really small bikini...

Just to illustrate my point... (NSFW) :-)

water is hard to film, when i do drinks with like ice splashing i uswaly film the water splash seperate, then photoshop it into the drink later. The best way to film water is on a black backdrop.

Just to illustrate my point... (NSFW) :-)

Never thought that I would be so glad to be wrong.... :knockedou

Some fantastic work there. Look forward to seeing what'll come out of here :D

Sorry it took so long. Even these numbers aren't perfect but I am hammered here with work so could only look at them for a moment.
For KR1156's image start out with these in Calculations:
Source 1 Red
Source 2 Blue
Blending Add
Opacity: 30 offset:-244 Scale: 1.03

Then use apply image to clean up and a brush to remove the rim of the glass.

For JMB's image that he put up:
Start with Calculations
Source 1 R inverted
Source 2 B

Blend Add

Opacity 100 Offset: -174 Scale: 1.021

Mask

Grey

Then use apply image to clean up. Might be some density at the top of the spray though.

Chris

I must say, THANK YOU Chris for taking some time to teach us this trick! =)

Now I can start manipulate water without taking a few hours.... thank you again!

Here's one try...I know it's false, I know it's trash but, hey...I did it in 15 minutes XD

I must say, THANK YOU Chris for taking some time to teach us this trick! =)

Now I can start manipulate water without taking a few hours.... thank you again!

Here's one try...I know it's false, I know it's trash but, hey...I did it in 15 minutes XD

Always glad to help out.

Even if its false, it still looks good and at least now it only needs tweaks instead of some time trying just to get the mask.

Good luck

Chris

JMB, can i get the link to the image you uploaded?

JMB, can i get the link to the image you uploaded?

I didn't understood very well...
Do you want the High res JPEG?

I can host the PSD if somebody wants... I wanna see other versions.

jpeg is fine, as i will be masking it.

original
http://download.yousendit.com/3E3CA6121E9AA3CD

"retouched"
http://download.yousendit.com/89784A9B25AF670A

Sorry it took so long. Even these numbers aren't perfect but I am hammered here with work so could only look at them for a moment.
For KR1156's image start out with these in Calculations:
Source 1 Red
Source 2 Blue
Blending Add
Opacity: 30 offset:-244 Scale: 1.03

Then use apply image to clean up and a brush to remove the rim of the glass.

For JMB's image that he put up:
Start with Calculations
Source 1 R inverted
Source 2 B

Blend Add

Opacity 100 Offset: -174 Scale: 1.021

Mask

Grey

Then use apply image to clean up. Might be some density at the top of the spray though.

Chris

Some really nice tip, Chris. Definitely a great technique to add to my arsenal. The farthest thing I've gone with Calculations is b+w conversion. How are you determined which channel to blend? I've always wanted go get Katrin Eismann Masking and Compositing book. Are you involved with that book as well?

Another good way to select water is to use the force colour in Photoshop extract tool. I remember seeing a great tutorial on this by Ben Wilmore in his Masking CD Tut.

Some really nice tip, Chris. Definitely a great technique to add to my arsenal. The farthest thing I've gone with Calculations is b+w conversion. How are you determined which channel to blend? I've always wanted go get Katrin Eismann Masking and Compositing book. Are you involved with that book as well?

Only as a consultant. In her first and second book on retouching and restoration she has some of my calculations stuff in there.

Chris

Chris: What work can be done with these calculations? And witch book can I read to understand this? I feel like I'm standing outside of the ring here trying to find out what you guys are doing...hehe...

Anyone please answer!


gerry

Chris: What work can be done with these calculations? And witch book can I read to understand this? I feel like I'm standing outside of the ring here trying to find out what you guys are doing...hehe...

Anyone please answer!


gerry

Channel Chops is considered the best book on calculations, but good luck trying to find a copy....i've heard that it can sell for over $400 on ebay as it is out of print, and Bert Monroy said there are no plans for a reprint or version 2 of the book, at least not on his end...


http://www.amazon.com/Photoshop-Channel-Chops-David-Biedny/dp/1562057235

Channel Chops is a great book. Clutching my autographed copy very tightly.
I actually wanted to write a follow up to that book about 7 years ago but my publisher said there wasn't any market for it. Even talked to Katrin about it before her masking book came out. She thought it was about time a masking book came out again but we never got around to heavy duty calculations work. Maybe my publisher will listen now? Who knows. Market dictates.

Chris

those calculations worked nicely chris, thanks for that. Would like to experiment with it a little more next week when i have time.

i've never used the offset and scale portion before though, i will have to do some reading on this...I would like to be able to use calculations with more of a knowing on what moves to make before hand, ratehr than experimenting, would save a bit of time.

Chris: What work can be done with these calculations? And witch book can I read to understand this? I feel like I'm standing outside of the ring here trying to find out what you guys are doing...hehe...

Anyone please answer!


gerry

Gerry

Pretty much any kind of color cast, tonal corrections can be done with calculations as well as masking. Adding detail from one channel to another, completely rebuilding a channel from two other ones, or three other ones can be done. Making black and white images. Sepia tones.

There really isn't a book out there for this. THe Photoshop Bible I think touches upon it slightly. It has been awhile since I have read it.
Chops is a older book that goes into calculations blending, but it does it more from a special effects approach than from an image approach. But you can get an idea of how it works. Search around the internet for Kais tips. He goes into it pretty well also.

I believe that katrins masking might also have some calculations work in it, at least for blending channels not sure.

If you do a search for my name and PEI on the internet you might find a article about automatic masking that I wrote for them. That was at least 7 years ago so it might not be around still. But calculations hasn't changed. Ever. Sadly.

Chris

Chris,

For the directionally challenged (such as myself), can you explain the water extraction process a little more clearer. I printed your directions and followed them until I got to the bottom of the Calculations dialog box where it says Results. It gives you three choices: New Document, New Channel, Selection. What do I do here?

Bella

You can do whichever one you like.
I prefer the new channel option so that i can modify it if needed.
The New document is ok if you are going to save it with some other masks for later use.
I rarely if ever use selection. Its to easy to accidently deselect and not notice until its to late.

So save as New Channel and load the channel as a selection etc.

Chris

Hi Chris (and others)
I am finding this thread very interesting, especially the indepth discussion about calculations. I use calculations regularly to create masks 9either for image extraction or partial transparency), but have never tried the offset and scale options. Chris, how did you decide on your calculations for these images? (was it just by trial and error, looking for contrast etc, as I do, or is there a set of mathematical principles at work?)
also, I tried your calculations on JCB's splash image, but got a very weird looking mask - must be doing something wrong. I didn't know what was required with apply image to clean up the mask (have only used this for slight colour adjustments on composite RGB channels, not on alpha channels)
help?
I recently posted a query re a book purchase I hope to make this month - Katrin Eismann's "Photoshop Masking and compositing" or her "Photoshop Restoration and retouching"? I can only buy one at this point. I love compositing but probably need more input re retouching at this stage. Which one, which one?
Karin

To JMB

Do you know who or which agnet managed this water dress project ?

To JMB

Do you know who or which agnet managed this water dress project ?

You mean the studio who did it, right?

http://www.paulovainer.com/

The Adver. Ag. who thought the campain was W/Brasil.

You mean the studio who did it, right?

http://www.paulovainer.com/

The Adver. Ag. who thought the campain was W/Brasil.



Yes, Thanks for your information. :P

Paulo Vainer's is a phtographer or hi-end retoucher ?

Didn't find this amazing work in his website

Yes, Thanks for your information. :P

Paulo Vainer's is a phtographer or hi-end retoucher ?

Didn't find this amazing work in his website

He's a photographer.

I couldn't either, but, I read around the internet that was Paulo's team who did the job.

Hi Chris (and others)
I am finding this thread very interesting, especially the indepth discussion about calculations. I use calculations regularly to create masks 9either for image extraction or partial transparency), but have never tried the offset and scale options. Chris, how did you decide on your calculations for these images? (was it just by trial and error, looking for contrast etc, as I do, or is there a set of mathematical principles at work?)
also, I tried your calculations on JCB's splash image, but got a very weird looking mask - must be doing something wrong. I didn't know what was required with apply image to clean up the mask (have only used this for slight colour adjustments on composite RGB channels, not on alpha channels)
help?
I recently posted a query re a book purchase I hope to make this month - Katrin Eismann's "Photoshop Masking and compositing" or her "Photoshop Restoration and retouching"? I can only buy one at this point. I love compositing but probably need more input re retouching at this stage. Which one, which one?
Karin

karin

I wish I could tell you. Years ago I could have when I was doing it on a daily basis. Now it is purely instinct and I'm surprised I am pulling any of it off at all.
I initially do go by contrast, looking at each channel. But other things come to play also. Like the amount of color in an area, density, luminosity, hue, saturation. And Color theory plays a lot in it, like what color will cancel another out etc.
If you are looking for a book on retouching as you stated in your other post, then stick with the restoration and retouching book. It does have a good deal of retouching stuff in the back end that you can learn and branch out from. Since you have been doing a lot of compositing, then you can hold off on the masking book till you think it is necessary. It might already be a lot of stuff you know already.

Chris

Chris,

One little question... When you need to mask a person, do you also use calculations or do you do it by hand?

Thanks!

Andre

Chris,

One little question... When you need to mask a person, do you also use calculations or do you do it by hand?

Thanks!

Andre

Depends.

A while ago I had actions set up for a cmyk workflow that would isolate just the shadows, mids, hilights, quarters, and fleshtones.
Then I would fine tune them for use as is and then combine them into a mostly complete silo mask.
Things work differently with rgb and calculations as they do for the other color spaces. THere is some relearning to do. But it is definitely easier to do in cmyk.

Chris

http://download.yousendit.com/3E3CA6121E9AA3CD

So? Did it work?

I was wondering if you could possibly re upload it when you have time? I guess theres a bandwidth limit and it won't let anyone d/l anymore.


A file link is only available for a certain number of days or a limited number of downloads, whichever occurs first. Once an uploaded file expires, it can no longer be downloaded. If you still need the file, please contact the original sender directly.

Thanks!

http://download.yousendit.com/F9CAA085164ED4E0

sure thing bro ;)

Hey thanks :D

Heres my try on it, the fine mist needs some tweaking but i'm pretty happy with it for a test image.

Thanks Chris for the mini tutorial I will have to delve deeper into the calculations tool, very interesting!

Thanks JMB for the great image!

Heres my try on it, the fine mist needs some tweaking but i'm pretty happy with it for a test image.

Thanks Chris for the mini tutorial I will have to delve deeper into the calculations tool, very interesting!

Thanks JMB for the great image!

Anytime. Just ask.

Chris

Channel Chops is considered the best book on calculations, but good luck trying to find a copy....i've heard that it can sell for over $400 on ebay as it is out of print, and Bert Monroy said there are no plans for a reprint or version 2 of the book, at least not on his end...


I just brought this.
Thanks for the link!
Looking forward to getting into it. :)

Hi I´m new in this forum. Those mini tutorials are great.
Here is my try using the splash image from JMB and the nude Gisele picture that Andreschneider posted.
The original picture didn´t have much resolution so i did my best. I hope you like it.

Hi I´m new in this forum. Those mini tutorials are great.
Here is my try using the splash image from JMB and the nude Gisele picture that Andreschneider posted.
The original picture didn´t have much resolution so i did my best. I hope you like it.

Cool =)

welcome!

I just brought this.
Thanks for the link!
Looking forward to getting into it. :)

how much did you end up paying, if you don't mind me asking?

how much did you end up paying, if you don't mind me asking?

$89US..

Too much?

I have it here now and it seems to be in mint condition so
i'm happy. :)

Sorry, but period of JMB image is expired:-(
Can anybody re-upload it to rapidshare.com?

Wow that was wonderful, very creative!
You can see every details of it :-)

Sorry i'm french so i've don't understand all of your reply...but i'm inspired so...

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/6742/waterdressed1io5.jpg


sorry for my poor english

Nice try Deaconfrost1832, very cool too.

Welcome Neighbor.

so once the calculations have been done, how do you easily set the 'water' part onto another image?

hi all
i hope reupload this pic HQ FOR TEST
THANKS

so once the calculations have been done, how do you easily set the 'water' part onto another image?

Once you have done the calculations and before you close the calculation windows check out the last comboBox and select Result as New Channel, then press ok. You will have a new channel with the calculation you did, you can find it in the channel palette. Then load that channel as selection and use it to select the water in the layer you have the water and take it where ever you want.

Once you have done the calculations and before you close the calculation windows check out the last comboBox and select Result as New Channel, then press ok. You will have a new channel with the calculation you did, you can find it in the channel palette. Then load that channel as selection and use it to select the water in the layer you have the water and take it where ever you want.

i shall try that now :) thank you!

Hi I'm very new to this... been reading though everything, well as much as I can find online anyway.... been playing around with the images provided, and really not getting the effects I was expecting

It would be awesome, if someone could provide a brief tutorial on this. thanks!!!

Shan

Shan

Which do you want the tutorial for? The use of the resulting calculations mask or how to use calculations?

If it is the latter item that would be one hell of a tutorial. Calculations is not an easy thing to grasp and much harder to properly teach. The formula I put up for these water masks is nearly specific to the images presented for demonstration.

There are a LOT of ways to use calculations, but they are all mostly image dependent. One thing might not necessarily work for another.

Chris

http://www.design.iastate.edu/LABS/tutorials/photoshop/ps0009.html

http://www.foray.com/training/calculations.php

http://www.tutorialized.com/view/tutorial/Using-Calculations-Channels-To-Create-Masks/10461

http://www.photoshoptalent.com/photoshop-tutorials/use-the-calculations-command-to-mask-from-channels.php

see if any of these help you out...

Chris + Pixelzombie, thanks very much for your reply, I've been studying about this ever since and those sites were a great help!

It is really a great tool... thanks again!

:)

i'm no expert with calculations but it does seem like a powerful tool, makes you wonder why adobe wanted to get rid of it from photoshop...