well i know that this look is not that special as one may think, but i'm especially intersted in how he gets so sharp images that are so super clean and especially white.
white white white.
how do i get a white look like this (dont come up with "pitch the curves, noop!)

http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/cs_formel_1_V001.jpg
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/photo8_op_V003.jpg
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/t_mobile_escalator.jpg
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/photo7_op_V003.jpg
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/t_mobile_chair_op.jpg
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/t_mobile_motorized_cart_op.jpg

and my two favourites ever (not so white, i know)
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/photo1_op_V003.jpg
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/photo5_op_V003.jpg

i hope i don't underchallange you :)
(i just hope, that it's not just plain highkey :p)

Very nice pictures....i would probably have to guess that its some major lighting trick....i wish i could develop some radiant pictures....but i have nothing but a digital camera lol...no lights or anything :(

i would like to know how those are done...if not by lighting techniques

the fishing pic looks like it was PWL...

linear gamma in color space solves the most of this looking

linear gamma in color space solves the most of this looking

Saby really like your result and this sort of style, but I don't understand your workflow ( sounds very technical) :blush: could you explain it a bit more, like is it done in Photoshop ? or is it some other software

Palms

Hi Palms,

of course I've heard about it here for 1st.
this is the thread:http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-retouching/2588-aim-color-space-gamma-1-00-a.html

after to get this rgb space - the link in the thread - U just have to use the assign profil command from the edit menu.

Hi Palms,

of course I've heard about it here for 1st.
this is the thread:http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-retouching/2588-aim-color-space-gamma-1-00-a.html

Thanks Saby looks like a lot of reading to be done there (and it looks technical :eek:) will have a look into it ! I may be back with questions :grin::grin:

Palms

it's worth it :wink:

Sabys comment discribes how to get the picture superclean but how
did christian Schmidt get this white look.

Markus Hintzen, Michael Schnabel, Christian Schmidt they all got a high contrast,white Look.
Anybody knows how to get this look?

Sabys comment discribes how to get the picture superclean but how
did christian Schmidt get this white look.

Markus Hintzen, Michael Schnabel, Christian Schmidt they all got a high contrast,white Look.
Anybody knows how to get this look?

after U got the light picture duplicate the bckgrnd blending mode multiply

JOY HAPPY JOY JOY
Thank you saby

Great result, but i don't get it.
Multiply darkens my image, and the "blend if gray" produces very little change.

Great result, but i don't get it.
Multiply darkens my image, and the "blend if gray" produces very little change.

did U lighten the image before OR after that convert (not assign) it back to normal (adobe) rgb space?

I did:
- Open image
- Edit - Assign Profile, AIM RGB
- Duplicate Background
- Layer1 to Multiply

I did:
- Open image
- Edit - Assign Profile, AIM RGB
- Edit - Convert to Profil, Adobe RGB
- Duplicate Background
- Layer1 to Multiply

may be this helps???

Nope. Thanks anyway.

or you could try this..
open
duplicate background, name it 'light'
set this layer 'light' to screen.
duplicate layer 'light' and set blending mode to between 60 and 100 % to suit

then a little fine tuning to finish?

dexy http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj210/dexy_album/01after.jpg

may be this helps???

or you could try this..
open
duplicate background, name it 'light'
set this layer 'light' to screen.
duplicate layer 'light' and set blending mode to between 60 and 100 % to suit

then a little fine tuning to finish?

dexy http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj210/dexy_album/01after.jpg


Definitely not the same, but thanks.

oops yeh its way off, i just clicked on enlarge on the other one and its hardly anything like it, oops!!
i cant figure those instructions/get them to work either. pity i love that look too, it would be lovely to have that skill and incorporate it into a shot or two, hope someone else gives us a clue :O)

- Edit - Assign Profile, AIM RGB


er, can you tell me what AIM stands for and why i cant see it under my assign to profile options . .?

here's hoping . .

- Edit - Assign Profile, AIM RGB


er, can you tell me what AIM stands for and why i cant see it under my assign to profile options . .?

here's hoping . .

yahoo one i can answer look at #6 by Saby on this thread

Palms

Hey Palms. You got what Saby tried explaining?

Hey Palms. You got what Saby tried explaining?



:blush::blush: well some like "click here" :grin:

sort of but i need to go over things a couple of times to "get it" then see if i can work it in ps7 although i have found loads of different profiles for my printer :wink:

Palms

missunderstanding me cause of my low english sorry

my workflow:

thanks to saby for his generous help on this topic!!!

now it's up to us to use this technique without just trying to copy all the photographers that are already on that train :)

missunderstanding me cause of my low english sorry

my workflow:


Hi Saby. Thanks.

Is it:

Convert - AIM
Assign - AIM
Convet Adobe
Assign Adobe


Cheers.

Hi Saby. Thanks.

Is it:

Convert - AIM
Assign - AIM
Convet Adobe
Assign Adobe


Cheers.

nope,

convert- Adobe
assign- AIM
convert- Adobe
assign- AIM

Fantastic!
And add some Curves, and it's a hit.

Thanks.

This is really, really interesting!

I just realised that you have the possibility to develop raws applying a linear curve.
This is the case in most raw developping software like adobe cs raw or leaf capture.
This seems to lead to similar results, if you do the multiply inverse and gamma thing.

I am not sure if - physically - this is the same thing:
Applying a linear gamma and developping with a linear curve instead of medium contrast.

I wonder if it is a good idea to apply a linear profile, that is not somehow related to the photo. As far as I understood ColorManagement, profiles always should refer to the camera/scanner/monitor
To me this seems to be a method that works somehow, but might cause some unwanted effects, especially if you do the applying/converting thing more than one time.

I found out that all the generic camera-profiles and the flextight input (scanner) profile
show little or no visible colour difference, but lighter with less contrast if applied.
But what happens to the colours?

Can anybody bring some clearence please?

i dont have the AIM RGB when i Click on ( photoshop) CS3
-edit -assign profile,
I ONLY have A wide gamut
and how do you lighten your image with curves? sorry but i loose
something on the process and i would really like toget it done right.
Can somebody could give me step by step what to do then i could add this to my knowledge

thanks

When I go to Edit - Assign Profile, I see no AIM RGB? I have CS3

i think it's a profile you have to d/l:

http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/photoshop/v6/color-settings.htm

When I go to Edit - Assign Profile, I see no AIM RGB? I have CS3
there's where i come unstuck too.... is it something you have to add manually?

Dexy :O)

there's where i come unstuck too.... is it something you have to add manually?

Dexy :O)

To add a new profile in you CS3 do the following:
download profile, then drop it at:

Library/ColorSync/Profiles or
User/Library/ColorSync/Profiles

Girlsfather :-)

thanks for your help, but i cannot see library or user, i know where to drop paint brushes, but i cannot see where to put the aim profile even if i look at the contents of each folder...

thanks for your help, but i cannot see library or user, i know where to drop paint brushes, but i cannot see where to put the aim profile even if i look at the contents of each folder...

Sorry!
The profile has to be moved to the right place at your computer.
That is not a Photoshop folder!!!!!

(I use a Mac under OS X 10.4.11
I have no idea where to put colorprofiles if you use windows.)

Girlsfather

oh lol, well at least i know that its not a case of me not being able to see the wood for the trees ! thank you for your help, i really appreciate it :O)

somewhere i read that you right click on the profile and it goes to the right place all on it's own :) and thats what it did for me :wink: Just need to get my brain working on the rest now !

Palms

but its a zipped file and i have to specify a place to unzip it to, so that doesnt work for me. thanks anyway :O)

but its a zipped file and i have to specify a place to unzip it to, so that doesnt work for me. thanks anyway :O)

Not sure of this but cant you unzip to the desktop and do it that way ?

Palms

OK i got i here is the link :http://www.aim-dtp.net/aim/photoshop/v6/blending/rgb_blending.htm
-click on download material
-extract it to (in windows) C:\WINDOWS\system32\spool\drivers\color
then you will be able to see it in photoshop CS3
-edit-assign profile

and for the picture effect .... i still work on it but the results are not what i expected

Ok.
To summarize:

- Download this www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/aim_profiles.zip
- Unzip
- Right click the profiles, and choose "Install". This makes them avail. in Photoshop.
(it's the AIM RGB we're looking for)

- Open a picture
- Edit - Convert to profile -> Adobe RGB (1998)
- Edit - Assign profile - AIM RGB
and again
- Edit - Convert to profile -> Adobe RGB (1998)
- Edit - Assign profile - AIM RGB
- Duplicate Background layer
- Set copy to Multiply
- Still on copy -> Blending Options - Alt-click "Underlying Layer" and drag the white(on the right) slider to about 112.
- Add a Curves layer, and drag the black slider to about "Input 25".

Thanks to summarize!!!

minor correction:
profiles download:
www.aim-dtp.net/aim/download/aim_profiles.zip

Bart

Okay so I accidentaly came across this thread about making an image look like a Christian Schmidt photo .... quite a challenge to make it all work out.

I worked on this photo for about 20 -30 min and once I found the correct technique it came across nicely.

I first opened my image Escalator 1, I thought this shot would closely resemble Christian Schmidts eye in his photography. As you can see the photo comes off very dark and dreary, but after working on the applied steps it becomes a replica of his work.

First make a copy of your "Original" picture and hide the layer by clicking on the "Eye con", sorry could not resist a pun there.

On your first picture layer you will want to play with Brightness/Contrast of you photo, now with every photo this will vary as to how high or low you will want in your picture. In mine I adjusted my Brightness to : +94 and my contrast to : +39, this may not work in every picture.

Now on your second layer of the original photo you will change the layer option from Normal to Screen, all this is doing is keeping the original shadows and shape to the picture. Once you finish all the steps you will want to come back to this layer, go to Image and click on Color Balance ; You will want to mess around with the colors according to your image, in mine I had alot of red tones and yellow tones so I ended up playing around with Red, Blue and Green.

Now create a New Layer, change your paitbrush to Solid White, and paint over the areas that you want to be the most vivid, in my picture I chose to make the wall and the floor much whiter, keeping in mind that Christian Schmidts work has such a crisp look with his White Out effects.

In my photo I ended up using two seperate layer for the floor and the wall to make it look ver vivid and white. On my second layer which was on the floor section, I added a granite stone texture to the white and Diffused a Glow on it as well to make it shine. On my second Layer I turned the Opacity to : 76% and the Fill to : 71%, this allows me to see the original layers reflection on the floor.

I hope that this has been helpful. If you have any questions about the steps that I did for my picture email me or comment back.

Thank you
Pixelhunter for your summary I finally got it :)

StudioC Hello and welcome I have had a very quick go with your technique and i got a result from that also ( but do need to spend more time than i have at the moment )

Thank you all again for your help and advice ( including Saby )

What's next :devil::grin: ( only joking need to practice this some more )

Palms

Not sure of this but cant you unzip to the desktop and do it that way ?

Palms
wasnt sure either, but i followed your intructions and it worked - unzipped it to the desktop and then right click and it offers to intstall it via the dropdown menu! still not sure of what all the other files were for, but the aim is now in my photoshop cs2 - yoh! chuffed, thankyou - now for a little practice on some piccies.. :O)

What started out as something that seemed simple...became more complicated than expected...thanks pixelhunter...I haven't done what you recommended yet, but it seems to have worked for others. I really like your pic...even the original...that one needs to be put on canvas....

Another way:

duplicate your layer, mode screen.
duplicate the "screen" layer

Add a curve layer and adjust to your taste
Add a hue/saturation layer and lower saturation

Bart

- Add a Curves layer, and drag the black slider to about "Input 25".

???

When I do it, the picture come all dark. What is wrong with my step ?

Thank you,

BigBlaze

- Still on copy -> Blending Options - Alt-click "Underlying Layer" and drag the white(on the right) slider to about 112.
- Add a Curves layer, and drag the black slider to about "Input 25".[/QUOTE]

When I add a curve, the picture come all dark. What is wrong with my step ?

Thank you,

BigBlaze

- Still on copy -> Blending Options - Alt-click "Underlying Layer" and drag the white(on the right) slider to about 112.
- Add a Curves layer, and drag the black slider to about "Input 25".

When I add a curve, the picture come all dark. What is wrong with my step ?

Thank you,

BigBlaze

No idea. Post your file.

When I move the black slider to the left, density increase.

When I move the black slider to the left, density increase.

I'm nort sure what you're doing. The black slider doesn't move left.

And be sure to have "Show Amout of" set to Light (0-255), and not Pigment/Ink.

here are some pics i recently did using the AIM-assign-technique:

food (3 of 7)
http://bp3.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8SaWq6zV1I/AAAAAAAAATw/D29OYeTMYQ4/s1600-h/p17.jpg
http://bp3.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8SaIq6zVxI/AAAAAAAAATQ/PXKEnWbXU6A/s1600-h/p13.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8SaI66zVyI/AAAAAAAAATY/r3lUV1iZaCo/s1600-h/p14.jpg

my dog
http://bp2.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8RUVa6zVtI/AAAAAAAAASw/jbRRJtV6n0M/s1600-h/BUXY_IMG_0542edit_fin.jpg
(btw - no pixelmanipulation in the dog-pic AT ALL...all non destructive layer-work)

all i'm using atm is the assign aim and convert back to rgb-thingy...and actually...i don't think that this can be all. where's the mystery? what did i miss. help me :)

also just look at the photos they are just amazing places in the first place. Saby on to the way i would get the look as well.

Dear Pixelhunter or other that master this technique, what not create a action with this and share it with us ?

BigBlaze

here are some pics i recently did using the AIM-assign-technique:

food (3 of 7)
http://bp3.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8SaWq6zV1I/AAAAAAAAATw/D29OYeTMYQ4/s1600-h/p17.jpg
http://bp3.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8SaIq6zVxI/AAAAAAAAATQ/PXKEnWbXU6A/s1600-h/p13.jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8SaI66zVyI/AAAAAAAAATY/r3lUV1iZaCo/s1600-h/p14.jpg

my dog
http://bp2.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8RUVa6zVtI/AAAAAAAAASw/jbRRJtV6n0M/s1600-h/BUXY_IMG_0542edit_fin.jpg


all i'm using atm is the assign aim and convert back to rgb-thingy...and actually...i don't think that this can be all. where's the mystery? what did i miss. help me :)

Love the dog :bigthmb:

Palms

Dear Pixelhunter or other that master this technique, what not create a action with this and share it with us ?

BigBlaze

Oh come on now!

Oh come on now!

Pixelhunter YOU ROCK :knockedou

Thanks

Palms

Pixelhunter YOU ROCK :knockedou

Thanks

Palms

No no, YOU rock. :grin:

Thanks.. Does anybody know what happens to Models/People with this technique?
Thanks for all the Information..:+}
Snook

escuse me, i can see a incredible noise pop here..... you too???

When I had a curve, The picture become to much dense if I move the slider to 25. Please tell me, do you have to lighten the fill before starting to covert the picture or you keep it normal density ?

When I had a curve, The picture become to much dense if I move the slider to 25. Please tell me, do you have to lighten the fill before starting to covert the picture or you keep it normal density ?

Hi.
What do you mean by "dense"?

The picture become dark

Is the black slider located top-right, or bottom-left?

bottom left

bottom left

Ok. Did you try the action-file i posted?

I'm searching this post, but can find it.

Thank you for you help. Go if you want to post it one more time.

BigBlaze

Here. Reply when you've grabbed it.

Dear Pixelhunter,

To lighten the picture, I have to convert, assign, convert, assign. Doing this will lighten the file and after I can use the curve to increase density.

I will download your action and try it.

Thank you,

BigBlaze

Your action work.

Thank you,

BigBlaze

Your action work.

Thank you,

BigBlaze

No problem.

You produce very cool pictures by the way.

Thank you for the comment.

Now check this:

http://jeannichols.com/glace/

Stool (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8nfRtnjadI/AAAAAAAAAWA/_RpNtspCZK4/s1600-h/IMG_4363_AIMed.jpg)

Strike (http://bp1.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8nfe9njahI/AAAAAAAAAWg/IDYP_Of6bX4/s1600-h/IMG_4428ed.jpg)

Staircase (http://bp1.blogger.com/_RDI10ACbQc8/R8nfS9njafI/AAAAAAAAAWQ/eMngZuatK3A/s1600-h/IMG_4421ed.jpg)

one day i'll get it :)

Holy crap. Those are some SERIOUSLY cool photos.

Where are you located?

escuse me my question is gona lost :)

do you see a lot of noise increase using this tecnique???

escuse me my question is gona lost :)

do you see a lot of noise increase using this tecnique???

well...if you just assign the aim profile, no pixels at all will change.
the conversion to adobergb (so the pixel are those, you see on your monitor), alters the pixels the first time.

it's mostly the second conversion revealing some noise.
thing is: i dont think this technique produces noise.
it's just - if you shot a very dark picture and not enough information is in the shadows and you lighten them, it's pretty natural to reveal(!) the noise, with which your camera tried to display the information in the dark

have a look at my pictures.
each one of them ran through at least 3 times AIM-conversion...and only the last one (shot pretty dark) shows ugly artifacts in the shadows i revealed.

(by the way - i always work in 16bit - this larger pixeldepth reduces the creation of noise pretty good)

Holy crap. Those are some SERIOUSLY cool photos.

Where are you located?

what do you mean by located? where i shot those or where i live...lol :)

thanks subxaero for explanation ;)

Another problem (well for me):rolleyes:
saving the image is fine into my pictures
but when i try saving to web the image goes darker and i loose most of the effect
Is there away round this ? ( I am thinking of trying a photo host site to see if there is the same problem there
any one any ideas ? please

Palms

Another problem (well for me):rolleyes:
saving the image is fine into my pictures
but when i try saving to web the image goes darker and i loose most of the effect
Is there away round this ? ( I am thinking of trying a photo host site to see if there is the same problem there
any one any ideas ? please

Palms

you just forgot to apply adobe rgb in the end.

a webbrowser (or anything outside photoshop) will not display the AIM-Colors, thus the image stays as it was bevore the AIM aplliance

go cowboy!

you just forgot to apply adobe rgb in the end.

a webbrowser (or anything outside photoshop) will not display the AIM-Colors, thus the image stays as it was bevore the AIM aplliance

go cowboy!

Thanks a lot

Palms

What happen to the action????

Does anybody have any other thoughts to Christian Schmidt's overall post-process?

See:
http://christianschmidt.com/

Uhm, check the previous pages in this thread?

Thanks, and I have. It mainly deals with the AIM profile which achieve only the "bleached" out look of the whites. Has nothing to do with his overall approach and how he does his post.

The bleach out white look he does on a few of his images, but I'm not really impressed that that's how he does it anyway.

I mean take a look at this image...
http://www.christianschmidt.com/upload/original/bitburger_kessel.jpg

Does anybody have any other thoughts to Christian Schmidt's overall post-process?

See:
http://christianschmidt.com/

The company that does most of his post work is:
http://www.recom.de/

I am shure it is not just applying an action, but much more complex ;-)))

Yeah I definitely know its not an action!!!

I for awhile thought he shoots the background in HDR, composites the person in the scene.. but then I don't know how he is able to make the composite so seamless.

Try this one.

What is that...

What is that...

is it a bird? is it a plane ? NO it's a zipped file :grin::grin: couldn't resist

Palms

Yeah I downloaded it. Its just the AIM profile. Here again, I think perhaps thats how he getting his bleached out whites, but I am talking about the bigger picture.

How is his shoot setup? Does he do compositing? How is it all constructed? This may be a question that cannot be answered... (see the Dave Hill thread) but I didn't know if anyone had any insight.

Did you just download it, or did you try it?

I've been following this thread close to since it started. I've had that AIM profile and the action for quite awhile. I used it too. It just bleaches the white.

Like I said, I'm looking for his overall approach.

I might be wrong but it very much looks to me like it's made with a raytracer.

I've been following this thread close to since it started. I've had that AIM profile and the action for quite awhile. I used it too. It just bleaches the white.

Like I said, I'm looking for his overall approach.


He uses my action.

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