Shan or someone...Help me please! :-)

I'm trying to get better at digital makeup. I've got Kevyn Aucoin's books
but would appreciate any help you could offer. Perhaps a tutorial on this
subject?

Thanks!

I'm afraid in the example I've posted, I've made my girlfriend into
something of a tart!

Before:
http://www.jackzucker.com/Photoshop/sandebefore.jpg
After:
http://www.jackzucker.com/Photoshop/sandemakeup.jpg

Jaz

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http://www.jackzucker.com

Hi Jaz!

As I usually tend to stick as much as possible to the original, I'm probably the wrong person for helping you in this, but I gave it a try....If a complete make-over was your target, you'll be disappointed but here is what I did:
After softening the picture (removing lines, shadows etc.),

1) I removed the second catchlights from her pupils and changed her eye colour to green (the colour of your choice in your version)

2) Using the green from her eyes in addition to a warm brown and a touch of gold I enhanced a bit her eye make up

3) I added a touch of reddish gold to make her hair colour more warm and more vibrant

4) I sharpened the image a bit using the High Pass Filter

5) I highlighted cheek-bones, lips and other parts of her beautiful face using Overlay and Color Dodge Adjustment Layers

6) ....and finally I duplicated the final Layer, strongly blurred it, set the blending to Soft Light and adjusted its Opacity until I was satisfied....

....I'm sure you'll get more and better tips for a complete make-over.....:)

Your technique isn't the problem. I would suggest you look at some women's magazines for some ideas on makeup. (I don't know about the other women, but I hate blue eyeshadow.)
Actually, if you search the forums here, you should be able to find a thread about this very topic!
Vikki

I didn't change any of her makeup, just enhanced her eye color.

I appreciate your responses but I think a point is being missed. I didn't want to just soften the picture and eliminate wrinkles. If so, I would have just done this:

(30 second image twiddle)

http://www.jackzucker.com/images/sandesoftorig.jpg

I'm trying to learn to do digital makeup. Yes, I know the results are a little over-the-top ! Anyone know the other thread id that this subject was mentioned about?

Jaz

<<Shan or someone...Help me please! :-)

I'm trying to get better at digital makeup. I've got Kevyn Aucoin's books
but would appreciate any help you could offer. Perhaps a tutorial on this
subject?

Thanks!>>

I though this post looked familiar on another site.......Adding to the above......Try Katrin Eismanns' book "Photoshop Restoration & Retouching" ....Chapter 10 Glamour and Fashion Retouching.

Originally posted by john_opitz
<<Shan or someone...Help me please! :-)

I'm trying to get better at digital makeup. I've got Kevyn Aucoin's books
but would appreciate any help you could offer. Perhaps a tutorial on this
subject?

Thanks!>>

I though this post looked familiar on another site.......Adding to the above......Try Katrin Eismanns' book "Photoshop Restoration & Retouching" ....Chapter 10 Glamour and Fashion Retouching.

I have Katrin's book. It's amazing. She does not really cover makeup very much other than a passing comment or two about mascara.

Jaz,
My apologies.
I misinterpreted your request.

It just occured to me that if you did a search for "theatrical makeup" you might get some results you could use.
Also, many of the 3D program users have tutorials for creating women's faces.
Vikki

Originally posted by Vikki
Jaz,
My apologies.
I misinterpreted your request.

It just occured to me that if you did a search for "theatrical makeup" you might get some results you could use.
Also, many of the 3D program users have tutorials for creating women's faces.
Vikki

Thanks Vikki. I have seen the tutorials for creating women's faces. I need to go through those and see what I can use. There are some really good techinques embedded in that stuff including drawing hair, etc.

The kevyn aucoin books are amazing resources for makeup but they are predicated towards applying it the old-fashioned (analog) way! :-)

Originally posted by chiquitita
I think she would look great as a redhead!

You must not have seen my original posting!

http://www.jackzucker.com/Photoshop/sandemakeup.jpg

Jazz. Jakalenna posted a tutoril on retouching hair and face and told where you can get Bruces color charts for photoshop 6. I have seven but I downloaded and printed the charts, and I use them. Basically the least you hand paint the better you are. I use the magnetic selection on the hair and face and edit fill and fade fill, always in a new layer and it works out great. From what I have found everybody like Katrins books and I know she has video tapes of all these subjects.

I was looking at your image again and after closer inspection, I think I like yours the best. The eye shadow looks wonderful.

Can you give me more details about how you brushed that on? Did you brush it on at low opacity and then use a blur to feather it?

Great job! :-)

Originally posted by chiquitita
A darker redhead...

No offense but I don't think that's very flattering! :-)

I don't think I can answer your question - but I think I can help by asking a couple of questions.

Just to be sure - we are all so used to enhancement - do you mean digitally applying; Foundation, lipstick, lip gloss, rougue, eyeshadow, etc?

Is it not so much an issue of whether it is in good taste but how to do it so that it looks real? Like the make-up was put on before the photos where taken?

Since I can't help you with the best way to do these techniques, "I will take my answers off the air"

Roger

Hi Jaz!

Did you brush it on at low opacity and then use a blur to feather it?

Yep....That's exactly what I did.....I used a 10-20% soft airbrush to paint on the eyeshadows, (on its own layer), careful as not to obliterate the line of the natural eye-fold, and then I blurred it....

Thanks for your comment! :)

Originally posted by Flora
Hi Jaz!



Yep....That's exactly what I did.....I used a 10-20% soft airbrush to paint on the eyeshadows, (on its own layer), careful as not to obliterate the line of the natural eye-fold, and then I blurred it....

Thanks for your comment! :)

My girlfriend/fiance/wife (we got married last night) really loved it. My image sort of looks "trailer-park-trashy" whereas yours looks sophisticated and refined.

I think I have the photoshop stuff down. Now I just have to learn how to apply makeup. I still wish someone would do a tutorial. I wonder if there are any makeup artists who also are photoshop artists?

Originally posted by roger_ele Just to be sure - we are all so used to enhancement - do you mean digitally applying; Foundation, lipstick, lip gloss, rougue, eyeshadow, etc?[/B]

Exactly. I'm not interested in removing wrinkles, blemishes, creating smooth skin, etc. I have no problem with that stuff. It's the actual makeup stuff that I'm struggling with.

Jaz.....

This is a site, I happened on yesterday..... "Applying virtual Make-Up." Might be helpful.

http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~madsb/jc/wallpaper/voyager_tut.php

Originally posted by GOLDCOIN
Jaz.....

This is a site, I happened on yesterday..... "Applying virtual Make-Up." Might be helpful.

http://www.pvv.ntnu.no/~madsb/jc/wallpaper/voyager_tut.php

Thanks! I'm not crazy about the Voyager look but I think the concept is good.

Originally posted by ugot2bkdng
Hmmmmmmm,

You got married last night and you are on the computer this morning. I'm an old man, what's your excuse?

:D :D :D :D :D :D

chuck
:oldman:

Haha - I wondered if someone would catch that. Unfortunately, my wife Sande - Blonde/redhead/gray haired/pink haired) girl in the pictures - has all-day classes for work today and tomorrow. We're leaving for the caribbean thursday morning. No photoshop but I will bring my D60!

Jaz, I think I found one source of your frustration with your work. Looking at the first redhead pic you posted and also a later blonde version I notice that you have brushed the color on top of the image, probably with brush set to "normal." This makes it opaque, and even at lowered opacity it obscures details of hair strands and the shine of irises. What you want to do to add color without making it look painted is to set your brush to "color" mode, which will change the color but remain transparent. You will still have to lower opacity and play around with saturation in the color you choose of course. To darken or lighten colors, use the burn and dodge tools. Finally, to give the look of face make up, which really IS painted on and partially opaque, brush over the skin with low opacity brush set to normal.

Hope this helps.

Phyllis

Originally posted by pstewart
Jaz, I think I found one source of your frustration with your work. Looking at the first redhead pic you posted and also a later blonde version I notice that you have brushed the color on top of the image, probably with brush set to "normal."

Nope - I almost never use normal blend mode for any color changes or enhancements.

What you want to do to add color without making it look painted is to set your brush to "color" mode, which will change the color but remain transparent.

That's what I did.

Well, for some reason the hair looks "covered up" by the color...did you also adjust levels, curves and/or contrast?

At any rate, here is a comparison of what I got from the original (on the left) with brush set to color mode and some burning. Your version is on the right. You can see that the hair and eyes/irises shine and have detail on the left. Perhaps you accidentally had a different mode setting, since color mode would never cover up the hair detail as we see on the image at the right...unless the contrast had been reduced. Perhaps you darkened the hair by flattening the contrast on it, which also would kill the detail. Try using the burn tool with a fuzzy brush and see if that helps.

Phyllis

Well, for some reason the hair looks "covered up" by the color...did you also adjust levels, curves and/or contrast?

At any rate, here is a comparison of what I got from the original (on the left) with brush set to color mode and some burning. Your version is on the right. You can see that the hair and eyes/irises shine and have detail on the left. Perhaps you accidentally had a different mode setting, since color mode would never cover up the hair detail as we see on the image at the right...unless the contrast had been reduced.

Phyllis

Originally posted by pstewart
Perhaps you accidentally had a different mode setting

I used many different settings for that picture. The red hair layer that I liked the best was multiply mode. Did you see this picture? Each color was done in a different blend mode:

http://www.jackzucker.com/Photoshop/facesofsande.jpg

Thanks for the compliment. I'll tell Sande. I think she's afraid I'm turning her into a biker babe! LOL

http://www.jackzucker.com/images/sandetattoo.jpg

I applied this makeup almost exactly the same as I would apply my own makeup in the morning... :) Which is also, BTW, the way I apply hand coloring to faces...

Perhaps thats' the key - I'm allowed (even expected) to know how to apply makeup and have been doing it since I begged my mom for "just a little blush and lipstick" when I was in the 7th grade... :)

Anyway, here's what I did:

1. Smoothed skin slightly using Dust & Scratches with the history brush to simulate foundation makeup effects

2. Defined edges of lips by cloning slightly and then painting in a bit of color on a new color layer(lip pencil)

3. Also on the color layer, enhanced pink/burgandy highlights on face and neck

4. Used blur tool on lips (original BG layer)

5. On a new normal layer, using a very low opacity (5% or less) and a very soft brush, painted on a bit of brown eyeshadow and some "lighter foundation" coloring under the eyes to smooth out the dark areas and added some light black "eyebrow pencil, mascara and eyeliner". I also gave her eyes a slight green tint.

6. To brighten the hair, I added a new Selective Color adjustment layer on top of everything. To Yellow (with relative selected), I added 10 magenta, 10 yellow and 10 black.

7. Flattened and sharpened with high pass set to 1

8. Smoothed skin a bit more using Gaussian Blur and the History Brush

9. Cloned out the second catchlight

Jakaleena ....

You really did an outstanding job with the eyes..... & hair. Thanks for those detailed steps. Am smiling, as I just know how hard that brush control is, used the healing brush to night for the first time. Pretty neat.

Wonderful! :-)

Would you consider doing a digital makeup tutorial?

I'd be interested in seeing the adjustment and various other layers to learn to better apply makeup.

Thanks for the detailed steps. Your work is wonderful.

Jaz

I'll try to get a tutorial written, but can't promise that it will be soon since I've been pretty busy lately.

What I've done here is basically a combination of things from the tutorials on Retouching Acne and Colorization.

And honestly, the best tutorial for applying makeup is someplace like the Nordstrom Cosmetic Counter... :) I'd recommend going to a cosmetic counter where they will do your makeup/makeover in hopes of selling you some cosmetics and watch how the makeup is applied - that's exactly the way I learned to do it... :D

Playing around.......
I removed some of her eye makeup to change it.
I changed the overall shade of her makeup and hair from pink to copper.
More experimenting.....
Changed the hairstyle to frame her face more (rough cut and paste)

...Like Vikki....just playing around ....

I tried a more 'dramatic' eye make up
I applied a pink fard to Sande's cheeks
I darkened the colour of her lipstick
...and slightly changed the colour of her hair....

Great job guys. I'm on my honeymoon but I'll get back to you later! :-)

Have a nice honeymoon, and you have gotten alot of advise but why you would want to change the total look of such a good looking women. Well to each his own. Anyway here is my two cents.

Slight adjsutment in curves to bring up highlights recolor the faces and crop and you have a high fasion picture. She has blonde hair why make it red. She has great eyes and lips, maby its me but she looks great as is.

Originally posted by phili1
Have a nice honeymoon, and you have gotten alot of advise but why you would want to change the total look of such a good looking women.

Because I'm trying to learn the photoshop techniques.
This is a photoshop retouching forum, afterall! :)

Ok Jazz now I understand. I know its a retouch forum but I have a tendency to look at things as if I had to do a job for a customer. Retouch face color, clean up hair and blemishes. But I am now into Photo art as well so I also am learning a new tech.

I just saw an article in Pc Photo a plug in for Adobe from Digital LIght & color a new way of adjusting color on skin, eyes , haior etc. www.colormechanic.com

Again Have a great Honymoon.

hey i saw your picture and i did a little editing on it(makeup)...im usually one who is inclined to makeup looks that are rather old. i usually get my inspiration from the 1930's-1960's and also something that really helped me is the book "The beauty of coloour" by Iman the most beautifull woman in the world....it deals with makeup looks for all skin types and tones and it helped me immensely in developing my makeup skils.....anyways for this picture i decided to go for full coverage in foundation(skin makeup) its and old thing hehe and some strong eye makeup as well....please leave your comments and tell me what you think :D

http://www.badongo.com/pic.php?file=...__2006-01-01_final2ee.jpg

jaz,

first off, congratulations on the wedding!

and second, i know you're purpose here is learning digital makeup, but i'd just like to point out one thing; it's not always about the makeup.

craig

my advice is to first clean the tones and balance the color in the whole image.. this is kinda like appying foundation, always the first step in makeup application

Get familar with using/creating your own brushes. shape dynamics/color dynamics, etc,etc

Color modes are key. .play with everything.. especially color/hue/sat/softlight/multiply

And research color science..

Here is my messing around thus far.. Maybe i'll add more makeup as an example since that's your interest..