Danny prompted me to start this thread, so here goes. However, I expect other members to participate with their Tips, Tricks and Miracles!

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Most of my use with Impressionist revolves around two basic settings that I created. One titled VanGogh, and the other Painter. I've saved these to a settings file.

To find my presets, click HERE:
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=70088#post70088

There's no real trick here. It's more the process of discovery and experimenting with all of Impressionist's settings and options. I encourage you to do that too.

When you come up with a combination you like, open the Impressionist dialog again and click Save. This will allow you to preserve your creative combination of settings.

Enjoy!

Sure like that custom Paint setting, Jeff. This one is based on it. Used 90% coverage and a custom color (kind of a soft yellow) for background. Blended in some detail with the original image by setting to opacity = 50%.

2nd one: Used the VanGogh custom setting twice on this bouquet from FTD. Vincent would have been proud.

NOTE:
The VanGogh setting as provided needs a "direction" file in .tif format to control stroke direction. The size of the file must match the image to which it is applied, so I duplicated the flower image, Image > Desaturate and saved in .tif format.

To use a custom .tif:
* Click the "More Controls" setting button
* From the dropdown menu choose Orientation.
* From the Orient the Strokes dropdown, choose "by file" option and browse to the .tif file created.

If you want to try VanGogh without the .tif direction file:
* Click the "More Controls" setting button
* From the dropdown menu choose Orientation.
* From the Orient the Strokes dropdown, choose any setting except the "by file" option.

Great stuff... no sleep tonight. Many thanks, Jeff.

~Danny~

Something else to try.

Note: The attached image is intended to illustrate this process. "What" the final result looks like will be a function of the images used and how you apply the Impressionist settings.

* Open the image to which you want to apply Impressionist, Image > Duplicate.
* On the duplicate, use the Crop tool to crop to a specific length, width and resolution.
* Open another image, something bright and colorful. Optionally, you can use a copy of the target image.
* Apply the Crop tool using the same settings as last time.
* Save and close the resulting image in .tif format somewhere convenient.
* Back to the original image...
* Invoke the Impressionist plugin and select a setting of your choice.
* From the Background dropdown menu, choose File... and specify the .tif saved above.
* Lower the Brush Size and Coverage settings and optionally the Pressure setting and preview the results.

The image rendered will be a combination of the Impressionist setting selected, e.g., Charcoal:Default, applied to the target image and the .tif image showing through in areas untouched by the filter's effect.

Jeff: This inspiration is all your fault. Most fun I've had (with my clothes on) in a while!

~Danny~

OK... last one for the night. I really liked this effect. To me it looks very "painted."

* Open original image, duplicate it and crop the target image to the desired size
* Close original image
* Duplicate target image and save the duplicate in .tif format
* Close duplicate image
* Back to the target image: Duplicate the Background and drag to the top of the layer stack
* Invoke Impressionist plugin
* Setting: Charcoal:Default
* On the Background menu, choose File... and select the .tif file created above
* You'll need to experiment with with Brush size, Coverage and Pressure. On this one I used 80, 60, 100. These settings yielded what I thought was a very nice combination of strokes and detail.

~Danny~

Attachments:
1st one: Using this technique
2nd one: Applying the Charcoal:Default without the above changes.

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By the way, I still have a couple legit copies of this plugin (Microsoft Front Page 98 CDs) left that I'm looking to sell. Send me PM if interested.

Here's something that might be useful.

When the Coverage setting is less than 100%, whatever's "not covered" by the Impressionist variant will be filled in with whatever is specified in the Background setting.

For example, suppose your Photoshop foreground color is yellow, you chose "Foreground color" from the Background menu and lowered the Coverage setting to 80%. The 20% not rendered by Impressionist would be filled with the foreground color, which in this case is yellow.

I usually go with "Image" or white. For white (in Photoshop) press the D key (to set foreground and background colors to their default) and chose "Background color" from Impressionist's Background menu.

By lowering the Size setting and increasing the Pressure setting, the result is more distinct strokes - color and texture-wise. Note: In this exampleI reduced the Coverage setting, too.

See attachment examples:
1 - original image

2 - Chalk: Bright Strokes on Black
* Background=Foreground color (very light yellow in this case)
* All other settings: Default

3 - Chalk: Bright Strokes on Black
* Background=Foreground color (very light yellow in this case)
* Stroke: 48%
* Coverage: 67%
* Pressure: 113%

So what?

The results of using the default settings for many varients are often times "not very detailed." This is one way to boost detail when you like a particular effect.

~Danny~

When using Impressionist it's sometimes difficult to distinguish among brushes or papers when you compare them in their respective Impressionist control panels. The problem is twofold: (1) The tiny thumbnails and (2) screen real estate: 18 mini-brushes and 9 mini-papers.

It never occurred to me until just a little while ago brush and paper files are in .tif format.

If you open the \Brushes or \Paper folders and change the view option to thumbnails, you get much larger thumbnails and are able to see many more at one time.

Boosting colors rendered by Impressionist (or any other filter, usually):
* Duplicate background and apply Impressionist style (attachment 2)
* Duplicate background again, drag copy to the top of the layer stack, apply the same Impressionist style and set the blend mode to Overlay (or Hard Light)
* Add a Levels adjustment layer and (usually) move the middle slider to the left a bit
* Add a Hue/Saturation adjustment layer and move the Saturation slider to the right (attachment 3)

Based on a suggestion from member CricketB. "Thanks, Cricket!":)

Photo by Jim Amnau.

~Danny~

I have to say i really do love looking at your artwork!

Very inspirational you are!

Danny - have you tried screen instead of overlay? It gives a beautiful pastel watercolour effect.

Also try screen with a different Imp. style, but from the same 'family' - eg chalk basic for layer 1, and chalk detailed for layer 2 (screened) - same pastelly effect, but almost ethereal now. Pictures show the ethereally one, and the same one with increased saturation.

<Fluffbutt pads off to find a kitty dictionary to see if 'pastelly' is a real word!>

Danny - have you tried screen instead of overlay? It gives a beautiful pastel watercolour effect.

Also try screen with a different Imp. style, but from the same 'family' - eg chalk basic for layer 1, and chalk detailed for layer 2 (screened) - same pastelly effect, but almost ethereal now. Pictures show the ethereally one, and the same one with increased saturation.

<Fluffbutt pads off to find a kitty dictionary to see if 'pastelly' is a real word!>

Hey, Fluff:

Nice to read your "meow." You make a good point about blend modes.

One can get practically unlimited variations by sandwiching Impressionist layers rendered from:
* Within the same Style (main category, e.g., Charcoal)
* Different Styles
* The same variant, e.g., Charcoal > Half sketched and changing options with each layer...
...and experimenting with blend modes and/or layer masks between layers.

In this example I used Impressionist's Chalk > Detailed Opaque Strokes variant on all layers, varying the Brush Size on each. Layers A, B and D were created by duplicating the Background.

* Layer A (bottom): Brush = 200, i.e., 200% (twice) the size of the normal brush. Results: Really blocky and abstract. Detail is lost. I applied a heavy dose of Unsharp mask to give these strokes some personality.

* Layer B: Brush = 50. Pretty detailed. Looks almost like Photoshop's Dry Brush filter without the mottled look. Layer > New Layer Mask > Hide all. Set foreground color to white, chose Photoshop's Chalk 36 brush, airbrush = on, Flow = 50%, Opacity = 50%. Airbrushed in some detail.

* Layer C: A duplicate of layer B with layer blend mode changed from Normal to Color Dodge. Added a Hide All Layer Mask and started making strokes with the Chalk 36 brush. Strokes "lightened" dark areas, such as in the water and the all-blue sky, because of the Color Dodge setting.

* Layer D: Brush = 25 (25% or 1/4 of original brush size). This results in so much detail that it looks nearly unaltered, but handy when you have a detail area (like eyes, mouth, glasses in a portrait) that needs to be emphasized. Added another Hide All Layer Mask and restored some detail here and there.

* Layer E: Alt + Layer > Merge visible to combine all visible layers into the new one without collapsing the individual layers.

Good suggestion, Fluff. You inspired me once again. Don't be such a stranger. We need more tips like yours.

~Danny~

Attachments below: Layers A, B, D, E

Danny

I really like the effect you created on Layer E and would love to learn your technique. If you don't mind (being a beginner) would you go through each stage - slowly, so that I can duplicate?

I want to apply this technique to bride & groom wedding photographs.

Thanks for the inspiration.

Steve

I'm waiting for Steve's reply to my e-mail asking him some questions. ~Danny~

Among Impressionist's options are the ability to specify a texture (Impressionist calls it a Paper). Some Styles include a Paper while others do not.

1. Applying a texture along with the Style.

Click the Style button:
* Select any Category and Style, e.g, Chalk > Chunky Strokes
* Click More Options
* From the dropdown menu choose Paper
* In the Paper dialog you can choose among the various Paper options, plus set values for Scaling, Grain and Relief.

Note: For the texture to be visible after application, the values for Grain and/or Relief must be > 0. If both of these values are zero, then no texture is applied.

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2. Applying texture only

Preparation
* Create a new layer above the rest of your layers
* Edit > Fill > 50% gray
* Change layer blend mode from Normal to Overlay

Create texture
* Open the Impressionist dialog
* Click the Style button:
* Select any Category and Style -- it makes no difference which one
* Click More Options
* From the dropdown menu choose General
* IMPORTANT: Drag the sliders for Pressure and Coverage to 0
* Drag brush size slider to 25 (for miminum rendering time)
* From the dropdown menu choose Paper
* In the Paper dialog select a Paper and set values for Scaling, Grain and Relief.

When you click Apply, only the texture is applied.

Adjust opacity as needed. Also, try layer blend modes Soft Light and Hard Light.


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3. Using your own texture files

In the Paper dialog:
* Click the Custom button
* Navigate to your own .tif format only texture files. These files can be anywhere. They do not have to reside in Impressionist's \Papers folder.

HAVE FUN!

~Danny~

Thank you Danny. I've wondered how to do exactly what you just posted. I had always used Photoshop's texturizer because I lacked understanding of how to use the one in Impressionist.

Janet

Has anyone noticed a "bug" or "feature" (????) in impressionist...

In the 'Effects' control, there's a bit called 'Modify Color'. Whenyou select it but set it to zero modification it still changes the image, BUT it doesn't change the colour it changes the way the brush affects it..

Wierd, huh!

Has anyone noticed a "bug" or "feature" (????) in impressionist...

In the 'Effects' control, there's a bit called 'Modify Color'. When you select it but set it to zero modification it still changes the image, BUT it doesn't change the colour: It changes the way the brush affects it..

Wierd, huh!
Interesting. I'd never noticed that before -- but that's because I use Impressionist's Color settings and/or Photoshop's Hue/Saturation and Selective Color commands to alter colors.

In the few tests I did using 'Modify Color' it appears to make the brushstrokes a little taller.

Good catch, Fluff! :)

Actually, in some ways it does improve the image even when set to 0 0 0

I have exploring the Van Gogh preset kindly supplied by JCH, and wish to retain alot of detail. i find this preset eliminates too much detail for my taste. i have tried to change the brush size but without much help. I have also ried alot of variations with the Grayscale file that it depends upon. Any suggestions as to how to get as much detail as i can and still retain the very nice impasto feel.

MDIJB

I have exploring the Van Gogh preset kindly supplied by JCH, and wish to retain alot of detail. i find this preset eliminates too much detail for my taste. i have tried to change the brush size but without much help. I have also ried alot of variations with the Grayscale file that it depends upon. Any suggestions as to how to get as much detail as i can and still retain the very nice impasto feel.

MDIJBBeyond altering the Size setting, here are a couple things to try...

Click "More Controls" and open the dropdown menu. Experiment with various combinations of the following adjustments:

From the Brush panel try either (or both) of these:
* Turn on "Use Brush Family" option
* Select a different brush

From the Size panel try any of these:
* Uncheck the "Scale strokes proportionally" option and reduce the Max width and height values
* Make a choice other than "About Even" from the "Size Distribution" menu, for example Mostly Small

Important: If you come up with a combination you really like, don't forget to SAVE it! :)

I hope these get you moving in the right direction.

~Danny~

I have exploring the Van Gogh preset kindly supplied by JCH, and wish to retain alot of detail. i find this preset eliminates too much detail for my taste. i have tried to change the brush size but without much help. I have also ried alot of variations with the Grayscale file that it depends upon. Any suggestions as to how to get as much detail as i can and still retain the very nice impasto feel.

MDIJBI just noticed something. The previous suggestions were based on the the "jch" Van Gogh, but it does not use a stroke map.

The "Lylejk" preset does use a stroke map, however, and it's a little different creature. So, in case that's the one you meant to cite, here are a few additional suggestions:

In the Placement panel try Random in lieu of On Grid.

To retain original colors, in the Color panel set the three Jitter values to zero and the Palette option to None.
In the Size panel experiment with all the size settings.

In the Effects panel try Emboss > Top Right > 2 or 3 to give the stokes the appearance of depth.

Thanks for tips. I was using the JCH vangogh preset. Where can I find the lylejk preset you referred to?

MDIJB

Thanks for tips. I was using the JCH vangogh preset. Where can I find the lylejk preset you referred to?

MDIJBMy error. JCH (as originally packaged) does indeed have a stroke direction file. I'd forgotten I disabled it because they can be a pain...

re:Where can I find the lylejk preset you referred to?

See post #24 here...
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/showthread.php?t=8328

Ah! Those hot fields of province.

Steve

Another Impressionist rendering.

Steve

These are very nice and with lots of the original detail. Can you share how you retained the detail--see my post above.

MDIJB

Nothing special. I used the Van Gogh preset. And I used the original image as the background and for the brush strokes setting.

Steve

These are very nice and with lots of the original detail. Can you share how you retained the detail--see my post above.

MDIJB

The preset I am using says nothing about Ikroll either. It reads "LYLEJK....Thread...Thread2....Van Gogh....VanGogh2.

Open your image and save it as "Original.BMP." That is, save it in BMP format. Then open Impressionist and set the style to LYLEJK...Van Gogh 1 or 2. Click on background box and scroll down and double click on "file." When your saved image "original" comes up click on it. Then click on "more controls." Under "general" scroll down and click on "orientation" In "orient the strokes" box scroll down and double click on "by file." Click on the "original" image again. You should now be able to apply the preset and save your image.

Steve

Hello Steve
Jou will explain this step bij step, in a simple longue,i speak not so well englisch, i treay it,and it dont work by my.
mayby jou will doe this for a simpel men.

Hello Steve
Jou will explain this step bij step, in a simple longue,i speak not so well englisch, i treay it,and it dont work by my.
mayby jou will doe this for a simpel men.I am not Steve, but I will try to help.

Instructions for Photoshop. They will work for most programs.

To create the stroke orientation file:
* File > Open [The file you want to use for a "stroke orientation file"]
* Layer > Flatten image
* Image > Adjustments > Desaturate
* File > Save as...
File name: Original [See note #1]
Format: .bmp [...or use .tif if your program supports this file format]
* File > Close

To apply any Impressionist setting using the stroke orientation file:
* File > Open [The original file. See note #2]
* Filter > Impressionist
* Click the Style button
* Choose any Category and any a style
* Click the More Controls button
* Click ">>" 4 times to display the Orientation panel
* From the Orient the Strokes menu choose "By file..."
* Browse to and click on Orient.bmp
* When Apply is clicked Impressionist will use Orient.bmp place the strokes.

Notes:
#1 - This file can have any name. Orient is used here because it is the file name used in the Lylejk custom style.
#2 - The target file does not have to be the same as the strokes orientation file. The only requirement: The files must have the exact same width and height.

I hope this helps you, Rogier.

~Danny~

i ame surpised and happy to have help from jou DannyRaphael.
I just have a wacom tablet paid,an i delivery at one of the comming days.
Then i have it, i try it out and show it here if i can it.
I thanks jou very mutch for help my,joy are a great internet frind,Danny.

See attachment 1:

Have you ever noticed when using the Brush panel in the Impressionist dialog it can be difficult to tell some brushes apart? Me, too. The thumbnail images are TINY!

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See attachment 2:

I have found that it is easier to distinguish among the individual brushes by using a program that displays larger thumbnail images. It makes no difference which program you use for this purpose -- Adobe Bridge, Thumbs, Faststone Viewer (the one I use - http://www.faststone.org/), whatever, including a Windows Explorer window with View > Thumbnails -- as long as the thumbnails images are larger and can be seen in more detail than from within the Impressionist Brush dialog.

So, what's the point?

1. After a lot of experimenting one can start getting a feel for which of Impressionist's 170 installed presets "work for you" and which "don't."
* Use Impressionist's Brush panel to determine the file names of "favorable brushes" used by "favorable presets," the ones that render results you like.
* Then, use the thumbnail viewer program you can more closely examine "favorable brushes" and try using them -- or others that look interesting -- with different "favorable presets."

2. Image dimensions are listed in some thumbnail viewer programs. This can be helpful in determining appropriate pixel height, width and resolution for your own custom brushes.

Have fun...

~Danny~

I used Photoshop to get my results, but the concept applies to most image editing programs:
* Create a new layer
* Select > All
* Edit > Stroke, Color and Width = your choice, (x) Inside
* Impressionist > Crayon > Short choppy strokes** 2 times
* Impressionist > Charcoal > Default 4 times

Ta-da: Instant rough-edges.

** Note: The combination of Impressionist presets and the number of times to apply them is completely up to you, so EXPERIMENT!

~Danny~

Good Ol' Impressionist. Gotta love it for all you can do with it.

A while back I found out that there was a limit on the number of brushes. You could load many but only a certain number showed up. I wish I could remember the number that showed. Does anyone know that limit?

Also is there a limit to the number of set files that it can see? Anyone have sets that you couldn't see? Or can you only have one set file at a time?

You can tell that it's been a while since I really got into it

Hope someone can help

Thanks

Bob Mc

Good Ol' Impressionist. Gotta love it for all you can do with it.

A while back I found out that there was a limit on the number of brushes. You could load many but only a certain number showed up. I wish I could remember the number that showed. Does anyone know that limit?

Also is there a limit to the number of set files that it can see? Anyone have sets that you couldn't see? Or can you only have one set file at a time?

You can tell that it's been a while since I really got into it

Hope someone can help

Thanks

Bob McBob... See http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-art-resources/9224-impressionist-plugin-troubleshooting.html

...for max number of .set files. (I could tell you here, put posting the link = you [and others] will have the opportunity to learn other stuff from this thread. :)) Reminder: The name associated with the .set file shows up as a Category entry in the Styles dropdown menu.

It's possible to exceed the number of custom styles without exceeding the number of allowable .set files. This number of custom styles is in the hundreds. I don't believe I ever nailed down the specific max.

Symptoms:
* Category entries show up in the Styles menu, but not all styles show up in the submenus. There is no warning msg.
* If one tries to save a new custom style (via Save dialog), an error message is displayed.

Corrective action:
* Start removing .set files out of \User Settings until all styles show up in the menus. It's kind of a trial/error kind of thing.

Bob... See http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-art-resources/9224-impressionist-plugin-troubleshooting.html

...for max number of brush files (370).

2nd post (Cheryl's).

Thanks Danny
Somehow (?!) I missed going down that thread

Bob Mc

Thanks Danny
Somehow (?!) I missed going down that thread

Bob McNo worries... that kind of trivia sometimes get buried on the rubble. I'm glad to help people find stuff around here! :)

Thanks a million everyone for the presets. We are iced in this morning, so I'm going to play now.