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Retouching DVD.... threat? : )

Posted 01-10-2008 at 06:58 AM by cricket1961

Due to a lot of flak from my agents and quite a lot of encouragement from members here and retouchers in the industry, I have decided to do a tutorial DVD. Much to my agents dismay, she would love a book instead but I am the king of procrastination and not really liking to write, the two don't mix well with deadlines.

Not that I like to talk either though. I'm kind of a mime retoucher....

So instead of ursuping a existing thread and to consolidate suggestions from people on what they would like to have included in content, this post now exists.

Originally, and hopefully still, this will ideally be about skin. In the future I will do one about Apply Image and Calculations.

It has been blatantly told to me by some unknowing members that they would not mind watching me retouch a model for 5+ hours. Honestly, it would be a lot of time watching a silent movie. Except maybe some sounds that should be edited out(better left unsaid).((please)).

Cheers
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    Frank Lopes's Avatar
    First of all: thank you in advance for the things that I'm going to learn!
    For recommendations: dodge and burn tricks, HDR, the use of commercial actions/filters versus "long hand" etc etc...
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    Posted 01-10-2008 at 08:33 AM by Frank Lopes Frank Lopes is offline
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    AdamZx3's Avatar
    Lol, yea I don't think anyone expects you to talk for the 5 hours of repetitive actions...that's where you breakout itunes and watch along

    Another thing I was thinking of that is virtually non existent is a tutorial about product retouching. I hope there would be enough of a demand for this, people like myself that would like to make this a fulltime career could benefit from something like this.

    While i'm making my wish list I would love to see something on jewelry retouching (which seems to be an art all in itself). And Automotive retouching would be nice, maybe an automobile shot in a studio and composited in a background. (some extra backgrounds/vehicles for practice would be awesome).

    Here's an example of some product retouching that caught my eye. Not sure how much of it was "right" in camera but looks great : Bacardi Drink

    Hope this helps some and I can't wait to buy your first DVD!
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    Posted 01-10-2008 at 11:57 AM by AdamZx3 AdamZx3 is offline
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    shellby's Avatar
    Do what works best for you, video or book - either way I am sure it will be a hit!
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    Posted 01-10-2008 at 01:25 PM by shellby shellby is offline
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    cricket1961's Avatar
    Hey Shelby! Long time no see. How are things at Meisels?

    Thanks Adam. Some good suggestions.

    Thanks also Frank.
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    Posted 01-10-2008 at 01:43 PM by cricket1961 cricket1961 is offline
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    maybe including a little dictation on workflow in the begining.

    pointing out things like…keeping color above your D&B set.
    basically, what your steps are when you first open the file, and how you layout your plan of action...because if anyone is looking to work in a retouching house with multiple shifts, that will be a major help to them.

    good luck with the project, chris.
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    Posted 01-10-2008 at 02:10 PM by KR1156 KR1156 is offline
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    pixel_monkey's Avatar
    This is fantastic news that youíre considering in making this DVD. I picked up some great tips from you through this forum and through Katrin Eissmanís book, and Iíve been incorporating them into my regular workflow. Iím sure this DVD is going to be a great guidance for many whom are already in or trying to get into this field.
    Iíd really like to see a section in the DVD thatís dedicated to CMYK workflow in retouching. Thatís something I donít see being taught much. Many retouchers that I know and myself went through a 4-years art school or photography school, but we all came out with zero training in CMYK workflow. Those schools just donít teach you this kind of topic. I think thatís a major disappointment that CMYK is not part of the curriculums (at least not the school I went to), because every high-end retouching ad Iíve ever read mentioned specifically that knowledge in CMYK workflow is required. I personally feel deterred from applying to the position solely because of my lack of knowledge in CMYK.

    I, too, will not mind watching you D&B for 5+ hours...and I hope I'll make it to your class in Lost Wages.
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    Posted 01-10-2008 at 03:49 PM by pixel_monkey pixel_monkey is offline
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    Hey Chris,

    I think it would be great in regards to skin work, to see you
    cover both an image that needs a lot of work, to see how
    you tackle problems, and an image that's pretty close to
    start with. A demonstration of restraint i guess. Knowing
    when to leave things alone, or when something has been
    taken far enough etc.
    I know this stuff is experience, but i think for me it would
    be important to see. I want to see you take both images
    to the final product. Not just skin work. Full beauty retouching.
    Including how you prepare the file
    for the client, cmyk conversions?, rgb conversions?,
    whatever you do.

    And like KR said; workflow.
    How you set things up, what helps you work faster.
    Maybe a 'shortcuts' section or 'tips and tricks' for
    getting things done quicker.

    Thank you!
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    Posted 01-11-2008 at 02:49 PM by CaptainHook CaptainHook is offline
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    Calvinhollywood's Avatar
    Wow... good Information... in Germany i know many many people who would buy your DVD*g*
    I am one of them:-)

    lg Calvin
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    Posted 01-13-2008 at 05:50 AM by Calvinhollywood Calvinhollywood is offline
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    Frank Lopes's Avatar
    Chris,

    It would be useful if you gave some insights into the retouching trends in the industry.

    There are magazines where the retouching is go over the top while others tend to go with a much more "natural" look.

    What have been your experiences?
    What drives one line of thought versus the other?
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    Posted 01-13-2008 at 10:42 AM by Frank Lopes Frank Lopes is offline
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    Chris,
    Look forward to seeing you do what you do! take us from start to finish,maybe edit out a couple hours of D&B maybe an every 15 min update during that part.
    Keep us updated!
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    Posted 01-14-2008 at 10:39 PM by LESider LESider is offline
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    definitely dvd not a book!

    I'm so excited for it

    A definite focus on skin would be amazing. It's the holy grail. However some of the things out there now already start perfect skin. Most of us aren't so lucky to work with flawless models and MUAs. Some tricky skin would be nice.
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    Posted 01-29-2008 at 02:36 PM by mrbeagle mrbeagle is offline
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    Hi Chris,

    so I'm not alone excitedly waiting Ur DVD. What I'd like to learn thats everything what U want to teach, the "why to" what the most interesting to me and the lightning - I know it's not a part of retouching but the right way of it could avoid many problems in workflow- of the model at shot, what I know even less. Conceptual questions of changing a face by retouching could be interesting if it could be included
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    Posted 01-30-2008 at 03:34 PM by saby saby is offline
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    cricket1961's Avatar

    Dvd

    well, I just finished my class in Vegas and judging by the gasps from some of the people,
    they were surprised at how bad the originals skin
    really was. I think I can count on one hand how many times since 1999 that I have had nice skinned models! And they were all Jessica Alba.
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    Posted 01-30-2008 at 03:43 PM by cricket1961 cricket1961 is offline
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    How did it go Chris?
    Get an idea of what people need/want to know?
    When can we expect the DVD? Haha.
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    Posted 01-30-2008 at 03:48 PM by CaptainHook CaptainHook is offline
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    ok you can include some alba files too
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    Posted 01-30-2008 at 06:29 PM by mrbeagle mrbeagle is offline
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    omytfineo1's Avatar
    Chris, I'm curious if you've had any formal training, or are you self taught through years of hands on experience?
    Sorry if you have answered this to someone else's question...
    Thanks!
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    Posted 02-02-2008 at 07:54 AM by omytfineo1 omytfineo1 is offline
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    cricket1961's Avatar
    omytfineo1

    I am self taught, mostly through years of trial and error on live work. That all started in 1992, after 10 years of doing it by hand.
    Having known color and retouching by hand definitely helped me out in what was supposed to happen and what would look right.
    But I also took frequent "breaks" and dove into aspects of Photoshop that I had no clue about, such as calculations and the custom filter. This lead on to more field trips into the program to see what I could do with making things work in ways they were never intended to be used.

    Hope it helps. Even if it is not the answer expected, I still encourage anyone to try new things out.

    Chris
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    Posted 02-03-2008 at 10:22 AM by cricket1961 cricket1961 is offline
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    omytfineo1's Avatar
    Thanks a lot for your answer Chris. You have amazing skills and I enjoy your work!
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    Posted 02-03-2008 at 01:52 PM by omytfineo1 omytfineo1 is offline
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    Frank Lopes's Avatar

    Color blindness

    Chris,

    I have a mild case of Daltonism, and what appears to me to be "right" in terms of color, to others seems "off".

    What do you recommend?
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    Posted 02-10-2008 at 10:01 AM by Frank Lopes Frank Lopes is offline
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    cricket1961's Avatar
    Frank

    Color is a very subjective thing. What appears "right" to some can appear horribly off to others. And there are so many things that can affect how we visualize color. Caffeine being one of the biggest culprits.

    If you have a slight degree of color blindness as you suspect, do you know which form you have? If you know which of the 8 or so forms of CB you have you can either avoid images that have a abundance of those colors or learn to read the numbers really well.

    And it is definitely possible to do. The previous master of color at Crayola was completely color blind, but no colors got finalized unless by him.
    Learn what effects color viewing and avoid them for a couple of days. I know this has near zero relevance for Physical imparities, but they can still make a difference when color is critical.
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    Posted 02-10-2008 at 10:35 AM by cricket1961 cricket1961 is offline
 

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