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Old 09-13-2007, 05:25 PM
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Re: Two Retouching jobs in NYC

i think some ppl in nyc are having trouble with the 300/hour rate, i could be wrong on this though. Just over heard a convo about it, but these guys were more digital capture, but were saying something about 150-200 hour for retouching.

maybe thats an average, im sure there are a couple places with the right clients getting 350.
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Old 09-13-2007, 05:34 PM
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I disagree. A senior retoucher needs those skills and more.
If you think about it, a "master" retoucher is like the head or executive chef at a fine resort. All the sous chefs, or cooks or junior retouchers do all the chopping, prep, the grunt work and then the master chef designs the recipes and menus with the mangers, does the tasting, and maybe the plate setup and takes all the credit and big bucks. He may come out from his kitchen/studio and work the room, socialize and sign a few menus/Iris Prints/CTs. There seems to be analogy here in the art world.

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Old 09-13-2007, 05:34 PM
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i think some ppl in nyc are having trouble with the 300/hour rate, i could be wrong on this though. Just over heard a convo about it, but these guys were more digital capture, but were saying something about 150-200 hour for retouching.

maybe thats an average, im sure there are a couple places with the right clients getting 350.
Of course it's a problem. Just saw a few bills that shouldn't have been slipped by me, and, jeez, total up those hours, and I'll bet it gets the bean counters at agencies squirming and scheming some way to look good for their bosses by reducing costs. "Hey. let's do it ourselves!" duh.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:19 AM
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Re: Two Retouching jobs in NYC

I worked at an ad agency (big one, in NYC) for a while... I don't think I could ever do that again. Their demands and time requests are ridiculous. But many big ad agencies, and fashion labels are going internal. Unless it was Dolce & Gabbana, I probably couldn't go back.
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Old 09-14-2007, 11:44 AM
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Re: Two Retouching jobs in NYC

bbdo by any chance, theveed?
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Old 09-14-2007, 12:07 PM
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Re: Two Retouching jobs in NYC

My guess: Mcann Erickson

I too did a very short stint in-house at a huge ad agency - horrible. I was easing back into working for someone else coming off several years of freelance only. Yuck. Never again ....unless it's my agency
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Old 09-14-2007, 12:17 PM
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what is that they have you juggling all the projects at once, or is it the hours that are so bad? or maybe they demand too much in a short period of time that doesn't allow you to do the job 100% to your satisfaction?

i don't think i ever heard of anyone liking the advertising scene! retouching at least!
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Old 09-14-2007, 01:35 PM
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Re: Two Retouching jobs in NYC

my last post was actually a question, or did i hit it on the head?!?

let me know experieced ad ppl.

i work at a major ad agency right now, but my situation is kinda weird, i'm in the "below the line devision" and am the only retoucher out of my group. Any hi-end stuff, or beauty/fashion/editorial work i do is on the side for someone.
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Old 09-15-2007, 12:32 AM
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If you think about it, a "master" retoucher is like the head or executive chef at a fine resort. All the sous chefs, or cooks or junior retouchers do all the chopping, prep, the grunt work and then the master chef designs the recipes and menus with the mangers, does the tasting, and maybe the plate setup and takes all the credit and big bucks. He may come out from his kitchen/studio and work the room, socialize and sign a few menus/Iris Prints/CTs. There seems to be analogy here in the art world.

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Um, excuse me, but, what are you talking about? Do you retouch? Or, are you from Switzerland, stuck in some Guild like existence?
Look, there's a whole bunch of retouching out there, mainly in a few places in the world. The customer wants it done (1) well, (2) as fast as possible, and (3) at a competitive price. Some have more money to spend, some less. Your (and my) job depends on figuring out how to make a decent living off this little machine.
That said, it's surprising how chaotic this machine is, sputtering and coughing through time. Total incompetents grab a handle, hanging on, reaching in and grabbing bags of money. True geniuses are pushing hard and pedaling inside, making it work as others study them. NO ONE is teaching each other - well hardly anyone, as I said in another thread. And the client could care less how much you know about color management or printing or whatever. He has serious political games to play.

I tell ya, if somebody talked to me like a chef does to his people, I'd stick a Wacom pen in his eye and walk down the street and find another gig.
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Old 09-18-2007, 08:42 AM
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Re: Two Retouching jobs in NYC

KR you hit the nail. And I was at one of the Publicis groupes. I think I had a pretty good setup compared to their other retouchers, but that's not saying much.
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