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Old 11-15-2005, 06:05 AM
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Ken, Smats, Cassidy and Nancy --

I'm still reading all of your posts great interest, and trying out the various techniques you're discussing. Since I know so little about professional color correction, I don't think it's my place to add more comments. I feel I'll just confuse the issue even more.

I give you all so much credit for even being in this business because the more I'm learning, the harder it's becoming.

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Old 11-15-2005, 07:35 AM
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In Smats picture above (Which is exactly what I got) the white border at the right reads
C 24, M 4, Y 12, B 0 The border at the left reads C 24, M 5, Y 14, B 0
So the highlights have too much cyan

The shadow between her hands reads C 71, M 64, Y 61, B 59 and the shadow between her legs reads C 74, M 68, Y 61, B 68
So the shadows have too much cyan

Babies skin below her right eye reads C 43, M 48, Y 43, B 6
Babies skin on her left knee reads C 42, M 45, Y 41, B 4
So this skin has way too much cyan.and black

I added a curves layer to Smats picture, Made the border and shadow equal.
And removed a little cyan from the midtones (skin and fur) Just enough to get to believable levels.

These figures are just about possible but a light skinned baby should have a skin tone of
C 0, M 15, Y 15, B 0.

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Old 11-15-2005, 08:11 AM
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It's gr8 to see just how many different approaches there is to this one with the colour correction. I must admit that after trying them all, I am now undecided as to what one is right. All seem to give good results but in different ways, and giving slightly different background colours. Will be nice to see how many entries have the pink or cream background .
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Old 11-15-2005, 08:17 AM
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Can someone go poke Phil? Only he can put us out of our misery heh
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Old 11-15-2005, 08:23 AM
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It's to be hoped he can remember, otherwise this could go on for years Just shows how people see the same image in such different ways though
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Old 11-15-2005, 08:26 AM
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It's to be hoped he can remember, otherwise this could go on for years Just shows how people see the same image in such different ways though
Even if he cant remember the colours, hepefully he will be able to tell us a bit about the history - ie frame vs item on top of theories
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Old 11-15-2005, 09:49 AM
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Earth to Phil, earth to Phil, know as a guy you probably don't really remember (not a shot), but do recall that pinks in the late 70's early 80's were really the go, so fashionable, not aesthetic though, but heck, it was fashionable... looking at photo of eldest now, it was pink on pink on pink, looked really magenta to me, but given the passage of time, looks ok or at least, so so today.

Can imagine at the moment you feel like cringing, so was your retouch based on recall or aesthetics

Bet by this stage you would have preferred to be anonymous, lol
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Old 11-15-2005, 10:05 PM
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in a perfect shot a baby's skin may be as ken says. however, there are few perfect shots. lighting can always change the appearance of skin color... or other objects. i've seen these debates before over a baby's skin tones and rarely the qualifiers regarding lighting conditions. photographers also use filters on their cameras and lights. so, making a baby's skin 'perfect' to some fixed standard may not always be the right way to go.

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Old 11-15-2005, 11:18 PM
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I'll be entering this contest in a few days, when I get a little time.

However, I do have two questions.

(1) To the owner of the picture, can we use the before and our afters as examples on our website portfolios?

(2) Everyone else, how much of the voting do you think will come down to color picking?

For me, I'm going to vote based on quality of physical restoration instead of color, then I'll take in account the colors, and accept pink or biege for the blanket and green or blue for the dress-- there's enough "proof" to support both scenarios.

But, if I was the client of this photo, I wouldn't care if you returned a biege blanket and a blue dress or a pink blanket and a green dress or vice versa, as long as you returned a photo I could frame, and looks like it fits into the parameters of the original.
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Old 11-16-2005, 01:33 AM
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I can only speak for myself, but I will vote for restorations looking natural and unmanipulated. I prefer some discolorations and noise rather than lack of texture or baby seems to be cut out.
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