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Old 08-04-2007, 12:42 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

Exactly what is the difference between "beauty retouch" and "glamour retouch"? I can't seem to find a definitive answer.
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Old 08-04-2007, 12:53 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

Lonnie, I think most people think of porcelain skin, built up eyelashes, etc. as "glamor" stuff. I interpreted the instructions literally when they spoke to "natural beauty" so I tried to do just that without going overboard.
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Old 08-04-2007, 01:29 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

It is a very fine line swampy
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Old 08-04-2007, 02:00 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

Swampy, "I think", "most people think" is certainly not definitive, but rather emphasizes the ambiguity that I'm questioning. The contest rules state very explicitly, 'this is not a "glamour" retouching contest' and again '* DO NOT turn the image into a glamour shot'. If nobody can provide a definition of the difference between "beauty retouch" and "glamour retouch", the rules are moot. It seems to me that someone must have a specific difference in mind else those "rules" would not have been included.

The only difference I've been able to ascertain from various sources is that glamour may suggest "erotic", which seems irrelevant in this context.

I agree Cassidy. It's a very fine line. One I certainly can't distinguish. That's why I bring it up... and to find out if anyone else is confused.
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Old 08-04-2007, 02:22 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

Lonnie, I think the part of the rules that says..."so the changes that you make should be more natural and subtle"... was my key to what I expected to do. To "glamorize" would be (according to the dictionary), "make (something) seem glamorous or desirable, esp. spuriously so : the lyrics glamorize drugs." And spuriously being "spurious |ˈspyoŏrēəs| adjective not being what it purports to be; false or fake : separating authentic and spurious claims.

I don't want to belabor the point, but in looking at the numerouse entries to-date, most folks just color corrected and softened her skin.
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Old 08-04-2007, 03:01 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

According to Vincent Versace, on the Digital Innovator DVD entitled Photographic Workflow, a properly retouched photograph should show no trace of the work performed. The viewer should get the impression of viewing a pleasing photo that has the elements of clarity, proper lighting, realistic color with normal looking hair and skin texture. The eyes should appear normal and be the central focus of the image.

A glamor photo normally has extreme softening with exaggerated eyes and lips. The photo appears as obviously retouched.
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Old 08-05-2007, 09:09 AM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

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Gary, take a look at http://jenniferaniston.celebden.com/
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Nah, don't think I'll bother thanks. I know who she is really, I was just being facetious.

But thanks for the thought.
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Old 08-06-2007, 03:24 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

I think my entry went past Photomaster's Versace ideal, but doing it sure was fun. There's a large number of good entries (I'm trying to say they were all good and that there are lots of them). What intrigues me is the latitude available for 'color correction on' an image containing a person you don't know. There are valid interpretations all over the map.

One observation - I'm awfully glad I don't do this for a living - would end up very hungry and sleep-deprived.

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Old 08-07-2007, 03:05 PM
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Beauty vs Glamour

Considering my previous inquiry about the difference between "beauty retouch" and "glamour retouch", I think Ant hit the nail on the head with this statement made in the business forum:
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... There is no glamour retouching in NY nor other big cities around the world. It's a small town, soft and normal porn, girl on a car calendar, erotic, your mom at Sears thing. There is no real client for glamour retouching. If it's to be a glamor type shoot (very rare, but this term glamour has such a loose definition it seems) then it is done at the shoot, not all in post. This glowing, smoothing thing with tons of makeup like work just isn't out there. Strike "Glamour" from your vocabulary. It's only real usage would be within the discussion of "Boudoir","Cheesy", "Low rent", "Bad Taste","Pageant" "porn", etc.
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Old 08-07-2007, 03:29 PM
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Re: Aug 07 Contest Discussion

I tend to agree with Ant. I think of all the shots I've seen that peple may call "glamor" , but all that high key, plastic skin look could be called "effects" more than "glamor"
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