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Old 11-24-2008, 11:54 AM
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Which photo do you prefer & why?

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http://bobmielke.smugmug.com/photos/...08_DevXG-L.jpg
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:15 PM
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Hi Bob. Welcome to RetouchPro! Explore and Enjoy!

The second one. Looks more realistic to me.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:22 PM
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hi,
my opinion only, but I like the one with the clouds.

The clouds adds depth, interest, and action ... it also sort of hilights the mountain...

overall it stirs more emotions than the picture without the clouds...!!



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Old 11-24-2008, 01:23 PM
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Welcome Bob !

I prefer the one with fewer clouds. Nothing other than personal preference, as I like the way it allows my eyes to be drawn to the mountain faster. I would be fine if there were one or two more clouds in it. I just don't like the sky full. But, there is no artistic basis for the choice.
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Old 11-24-2008, 01:52 PM
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This is one of my favorite photographs and I've started this same thread on other sites. 95% of those who commented chose the cloudless photo. It was the original "real" capture and has dramatic depth of field, causing some to doubt the mountain and treeline wern't blended together in photoshop. I have the original RAW file as proof it's for real. I like both photos for different reasons. The sky full of clouds was blended from another photo taken in John Day, OR months earlier.

Thank you all for your input. I wanted to show how difficult it is to tell a well blended photo from an unedited version & feel I made my point.
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:12 PM
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No you didn't, neither look real. On the clean one even though you say its real theres serious lens vignetting, and a strange edge where the mountains join the sky. Maybe it is real, but its still odd.

When you are compositing clouds in, you have to understand that they recede towards the horizon - in this image they have just been snapped in and are quite obviously faked. They also look like they have been rescaled, and have no natural definition. Correct clouds in this image would be sharp, smaller with a much higher white point.
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:18 PM
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>>>I wanted to show how difficult it is to tell a well blended photo from an unedited version & feel I made my point.

I didn't know that was the test. My response was based strictly on esthetics and personal preference. Because of your statement, I downloaded the photo and zoomed in 1000+pixels. There are definite giveaway traces of a photo edit job in the area I've indicated. The pixels of the trees are more prominent than the sky background and there is definite finging going on.
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:19 PM
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Very well. Remove my name from your roles.
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Old 11-24-2008, 02:42 PM
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No need to do that, Bob. You came in here and asked for an opinion based on "which do you like best" and we told you. Then you said it was really some kind of test to prove your composting skills. So we critiqued your composting skills.

If you can't take the critiques, then you shouldn't be asking for them. We are all adults here and I have always learned from fair critiques offered by those who take the time to give them. It's how I learn.
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Old 11-24-2008, 04:08 PM
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First of all, I love the picture! Great colors and almost perfectly sharp.

I agree with TommyO, the one with less clouds has more appeal. But the sky could use one or two more clouds. Maybe even two new ones. Also the natural or fake gradient toward the mountain is very nice and should stay.

Just a helpful comment, in the first picture, the trees shown below could use some better masking... the mountain is ok, but these trees look to be misted or something, making it look altered. Also, if you could keep the original gradient it would really add some appeal. I also agree with Markzebra, the clouds look off, and should be corrected.

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