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Old 02-06-2009, 08:40 AM
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DB critique please

Hi all
I have been experimenting with DB for the first time since the post by miss liz with that great video. I am finally understanding how it all works. This is my first finished attempt. Please crit.
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karin
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Old 02-06-2009, 10:17 AM
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Re: DB critique please

your before image has been touched over very badly with some crude blurring or smudging. Choose a better before image
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Old 02-06-2009, 02:09 PM
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Re: DB critique please

I agree, as sharp as the retouched picture is, there are easily places that you can see missing texture. In my opinion I think you over sharpened it.

As for the D&B, there are still some spots of discoloration, mostly in the models right cheek.

Keep working at it,
-Keven
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Old 02-09-2009, 01:42 AM
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Hi Mark, keven
thanks for your comments
unfortunately not my call to use this image.
I will keep practising
k
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Old 02-16-2009, 12:14 AM
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Re: DB critique please

Hi Keven and Mark (and others?)
here is another image I have been working on.
comments please?
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Karin
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Old 02-16-2009, 08:36 AM
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Re: DB critique please

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Hi Keven and Mark (and others?)
here is another image I have been working on.
comments please?
thanks
Karin
Hi Karin,

I would soften the fold a bit on the right side of the face and raise the cheekbones a bit (particularly just below the base of the cheekbone). I think that change would greatly improve the image's symmetrical balance.

You're looking for feedback on Dodge/Burn, I know, so I'll watch for the pros to come in and comment on that.

Sincerely,
PSB
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Old 02-16-2009, 02:34 PM
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Re: DB critique please

This time it was a lot better...you can tell you learned something from the last. I cricled in red where i see discoloration. It seems like a lot but i think you did good.

I also tried to fix them myself to give you a feeling about what it may look like. Mine is still not perfect... My edit is on the left in both pictures.

To edit:
Changed the overlay black layer to softlight>> 80% opacity
On a new layer>>> circled in red bad areas>>> turned this layer on and off while editing to show where i needed to go
Zoomed in 800% on the thumbnail
Used soft brush 8% opacity, 15% fill (1-8 px brush size)

Hope it helps,
-Keven
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:38 AM
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Re: DB critique please

Hi Keven
Thank you so much for your comments - it is so great to get such a direct response. I DO feel like I'm learning a lot about how to do this - I can tell it'll take time, but I don't mind because I am feeling very excited about the results and the possibilities.
About the problem areas - is it the uneven detail that you are pointing out on forehead and upper cheek? What is the issuue on the nose flare? I struggled with that crease - couldn't decide what to do about it - it seems to leap at you, but if minimised, her nose shape looks all wrong...
(It is SO easy to get carried away and change the structure of the underlying object - in a bad way)
heh

About the black layer - I didn't actually use it - the skin felt too dark and I did feel I needed to see the colour of the original. Like someone said on the other post (I think it was Markzebra, maybe?), I didn't want to smooth the skin too much because of getting a false preview throught the tools layers.

This sample I haven't sharpened yet at all. Do you think I should? I know you felt the other one was oversharpened, but I was very happy with the result when it printed on press (notwithstanding the problem areas etc).
Do you think it is a context-specific thing?
I have noticed people often sharpen men more when retouching that they do women - I think it's about the image that men are usually portraying, as opposed to that of women. But that is another discussion, for another time.

I find the dark skin very challenging. I've noticed that people tend to emphasize the glow on dark skin a lot more in retouching it than with lighter skin. What is that all about? My image is fairly flat in terms of that - do you think I should add more glow?
Herewith example, in case I am being obscure. (same model, btw)

thanks again
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Old 02-17-2009, 02:21 AM
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Re: DB critique please

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About the problem areas - is it the uneven detail that you are pointing out on forehead and upper cheek?
Yes the very light uneven details. In all reality, most of it is so un-noticeable that most people will not knottiest it. I’ve trained myself to see fine details that most would never see unless pointed out.

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What is the issuue on the nose flare? I struggled with that crease - couldn't decide what to do about it - it seems to leap at you, but if minimised, her nose shape looks all wrong...
The angle through me off, i didn’t realize what it actually was. But it is still to dark and should be lightened, not erased.

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This sample I haven't sharpened yet at all. Do you think I should?
There are a lot of JPEG artifacts in the sample shown, and sharpening will make them worse. Technically the picture is a tad soft, and could be sharpened. But if the original picture also has the artifacts, and you’re going to print large, I would leave it alone. If it’s going to be small, the artifacts shouldn’t be seen and light sharpening could be done (see below for example).

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I find the dark skin very challenging. I've noticed that people tend to emphasize the glow on dark skin a lot more in retouching it than with lighter skin. What is that all about? My image is fairly flat in terms of that - do you think I should add more glow?
If this was a side lit image I would say contour the glow a bit. But I think the glow should stay as is.

I just found this , they have some pictures with the glow you’re talking about.

This last one was better than the last...
-Keven

sized::: sharpened:::100% crop to show sharpened artifacts
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Old 02-17-2009, 05:46 AM
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well, yes, that is the kind of glow I mean.
Unfortunately the glowy shot I poster to show it was not one of my own.
still getting up to that level...


about the sharpening - the artifacts are only on my lowres image - I suppose my optimising technique needs work too...

k
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