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What is wrong with this retouch?

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Old 03-28-2011, 07:26 PM
RetWannabe RetWannabe is offline
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What is wrong with this retouch?

Would anyone please critique. Been struggling with this image for second day now. What would you differently? What bothers you most? I am ready to throw in the towel.

Before: http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/7...lsemifinal.jpg

Retouched: http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2...hsemifinal.jpg
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:31 PM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

You did a pretty good job of keeping it looking natural......maybe cleanup the hairline along the area the right temple and maybe tone down the bumps on the skin on the left side under the eye.... all in all looks pretty good..... walk away from it for awhile and come back and look at it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 09:37 PM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

You did a pretty good job of keeping it looking natural......maybe cleanup the hairline along the area in front of the ear and maybe tone down the bumps on the skin on the left side next to the eye.... all in all looks pretty good..... walk away fro awhile and come back and look at it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:08 PM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

All I can see is a slight reduction in luminosity...a loss of color in the eyes and too much darkening on the chin under the lips. I also think it would benefit by warming.

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Old 03-28-2011, 10:29 PM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

Thanks guys. I might have a bit of a struggle with the color and luminosity bit, I don't have a good eye for those 2, but I'll keep trying. I can see what you mean about the chin.

@Wolfman, I started out with the image looking like this: http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3329/firsttry.jpg, then started to have doubts. I showed it to a lay person (a non retoucher) who really disliked it. Thing is the photographer did like it and wanted a copy for the model. So what would you have changed on this one?
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Old 03-29-2011, 01:58 AM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

The first issue I have is actually the beard.. it's too perfect. Hair doesn't grow that way.. it isn't perfect and exact. It looks like perhaps a bit too much cloning, I can see patterns.

The overall skin tone seems wrong.. it's dark and dull. It's also a bit green.

You changed the color of his eyes, why? His eyes appear yellow.. which isn't natural.

There is no catchlight in his right eye (left side of the image).. which is the photographers fault, not yours, but it bothers me when I see images like this. (others may not care)

The shadow on his left eye (image right) is very sharp, you might want to soften the edge towards the nose. I know you were removing the bags under his eyes (or at least reducing them) which tend to have fairly abrupt edges, but when you tone them down and leave the edge your eyes know the skin should drop back there, but the shading/tone says it doesn't.. so instead it looks like there is a crease along the edge. Soften and blend it into the nose and it should look a bit more natural. (be careful here, as too much will make the image look soft)

The skin you did a pretty good job with, still looks 'model real'.. a term I use for skin that looks real, but we all know is a bit too perfect for a normal person This is ideal for most fashion/model type stuff these days, nice work.

and yes, I'm being extremely critical.. the image looks pretty good overall.

Kyle
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Old 03-29-2011, 03:48 AM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

Men are hard I find...retouching them without making them look like they are made up,make up may be fine for models...not so great for sportsmen etc.
Less is more for me.
I retouch everything skin wise on one layer...then when I am 100% happy I usually reduce the opacity to bring back some of the reality to a hard mans face with the original image.
So while I like you retouch...for me it would depend on who he is / what the pics are for.Don't like his neck crushing original pose thou...lol.
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Old 03-29-2011, 08:33 AM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

Kyle, I don't mind the extreme critique in fact it is what I need. OK so that is your opinion about my first attempt. What the first image I posted? This is where I tried to remove some of the perfection. I changed the eye color because I noticed he was wearing contacts and I thought they might be tinted they looked more red than hazel so I decided to go with green. I am still having a problem seeing the 'green' in the image but I did say I have a bad eye for color.

All in all, it is all my fault. I didn't do the research. Should have picked up a few men's fashion magazines and studied them for a couple of weeks then I would have known what I was doing. Instead I approached this like I would a female face.

Anyone else have anything to add?
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Old 03-29-2011, 04:18 PM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

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Thanks guys. I might have a bit of a struggle with the color and luminosity bit, I don't have a good eye for those 2, but I'll keep trying. I can see what you mean about the chin.

@Wolfman, I started out with the image looking like this: http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3329/firsttry.jpg, then started to have doubts. I showed it to a lay person (a non retoucher) who really disliked it. Thing is the photographer did like it and wanted a copy for the model. So what would you have changed on this one?
What did the layperson not like about it?
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Old 03-29-2011, 05:13 PM
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Re: What is wrong with this retouch?

The lay person really, really didn't like the beard. Said it was way too perfect. So I messed it up a bit (that would be the first image I posted).

Do the eyes look yellow to you? And can somone help me with where the image is too green. Is it the skin overall? I think my monitor is calibrated but you never know.
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