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Old 01-25-2007, 03:35 PM
tomvason tomvason is offline
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Re: Need help with this photo

I agree! I would not worry about the suspects image being posted here! The exposed a crilminal is the more likely they are to be caught! If they are not guilty of the cirme that's completely different. All you are saying is that this is the best image we have of the suspect and we need help with it. I would love to see what you have and see if any of us could help you.

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Old 01-25-2007, 05:31 PM
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I will have to disagree with you. First, this image is from a retail store surveillance system. There is absolutely NO expectation of privacy. You wrote "This clearly violates that person's rights, especially if he's innocent". This statement is incorrect. You can take pictures/video of people in public, and post them on websites like this or youtube all day long.
Dimmi, not beating a lame horse, but does your department have a CSI unit or access to image enhancement through your state's lab?

It is against my department's protocol to take any evidence out of the house. I'm not aware of any department in the US where this policy differs. But of course, I have not had contact with every department, either.

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Old 01-25-2007, 06:05 PM
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It's a scan/copy of the original. The original hard copy is not taken anywhere. I can make copies and stick them on light posts if I want. Come on, don't you guys see this on TV all the time?

There is no dedicated image enhancement lab or expert. Just a nice Dell with a big screen and CS2 on it. The state lab does not have this service, probably because of budget reasons. Digital photography and forensic image enhancment is a relatively new. It takes time to adopt new technology.

All I'm doing is trying to utilize every available resource to solve a crime. This is a resource.

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Old 01-25-2007, 09:20 PM
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It's a scan/copy of the original. The original hard copy is not taken anywhere. I can make copies and stick them on light posts if I want. Come on, don't you guys see this on TV all the time?

There is no dedicated image enhancement lab or expert. Just a nice Dell with a big screen and CS2 on it. The state lab does not have this service, probably because of budget reasons. Digital photography and forensic image enhancment is a relatively new. It takes time to adopt new technology.

All I'm doing is trying to utilize every available resource to solve a crime. This is a resource.

Dimmi

Thank you for addressing my questions, Dimmi. Now, considering the job description you provided I presume you are working a 187. If it is from 2004, this does not qualify as a cold case and I would strongly recommend you tap your local FBI field office for assistance. They DO have resources they can share with your department. It may require a less-than-desirable drive for you but it will be on-the-clock miles. To preserve the integrity of your case, this is precisely the action I would take if you do not want defence counsel blowing holes the size of a Buick through your evidence.

You must have a very amiable chief and for that I envy you. Mine would have me in the unemployment queue in no time flat for going to a public forum for evidenciary assistance. Unless it was his/her idea for you to seek this assistance.

You are welcome to PM me if you choose.

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Old 01-26-2007, 03:21 PM
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Re: Need help with this photo

Doug Nelson dropped me a note to let me know about this thread. It's an interesting approach to seek help for image enchancement from a site dedicated to retouching techniques - clever, really.

Dimmi made a comment that there isn't much difference between imaging forensics and retouching - and that's an interesting comment. Some tools are used in common, some are quite different. For instance, in imaging forensics we would never use cloning or create something from nothing (but these would be frequently used in retouching). In forensics we need to use best practices and be familiar with court requirements - things that many retouchers may have misconceptions about. But, there is no question that many tools used by the retoucher are also used by the forensic image analyst.

At any rate, if you want to contact me off-line Dimmi, feel free to send me an e-mail at reis@imagingforensics.com. I've been doing imaging forensics work since 1993, I worked for a police department as a forensic photographer and forensic image analyst for 15 years, and have provided training in this field to the FBI, Secret Service, US Army Crime Lab, etc. I may be able to help - but then, so may many of the users on this forum.

George
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Old 01-27-2007, 12:04 PM
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I was just re-reading this thread and thought I'd comment on this:

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Dimmi, not beating a lame horse, but does your department have a CSI unit or access to image enhancement through your state's lab?

It is against my department's protocol to take any evidence out of the house. I'm not aware of any department in the US where this policy differs. But of course, I have not had contact with every department, either.

Maureen
In my experience that most agencies will send their work out when extra help is needed. First, most municipal agencies send considerable work to their county agency for help. They send dead bodies to the coroner or medical examiner for help. They send DNA work to the county, state or a private agency for work. They send out GSR to their county or state lab. They send original evidence out for VMD work. Rape kits are usually sent to a county agency or lab. So, work does leave most agencies frequently.

But, this is mostly to other government agencies, you may think. Well, I frequently get hired by police agencies and prosecutors (as well as defense attorneys and civil attorneys) when they can't find any government resource who can help them. I get sent original evidence on robbery, rape, assault and homicide cases from police departments, sheriff offices, district attorneys, etc. from throughout the US (I'm even working a case from Japan right now). It isn't uncommon - I've had evidence delivered by special courier, by officers who remain in it's presence, by FedEx, and even by standard US Mail (I would not recommend this last one).

All this has nothing to do with imaging - but I did want to clarify that it is much more common than you may think for police agencies to send evidence to experts and labs when needed. If it's too off-topic, perhaps Doug will pull it - but I thought it worth addressing.

George
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Old 01-27-2007, 02:17 PM
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I was just re-reading this thread and thought I'd comment on this:



In my experience that most agencies will send their work out when extra help is needed.
George
Hi George!

Forgive me for not making my point clear about taking issues outside the house. I meant that we don't recruit help from open Internet forums. My agency always uses our county or state resources, or contractors who have been cleared for such work.

The Coroner/Sheriff handle autopsies and state/Federal certified labs handle other evidence, including trace evidence, photo forensics, etc. for my department when the need exceeds the scope of our CSI unit.

We use specialists such as yourself, also, when the need arises, but we do not use non-certified resources. Only using certified, approved experts was the point I was attempting to make. Apparently I was not specific on that point. Thank you for your services and your willingness to testify in court for your results. Many cases would go unsolved if not for people like you.

I'm sorry I did not make myself clear enough in my initial post.

Maureen
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