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Old 11-16-2005, 08:46 PM
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Thanks Twinkissed

I found it here
http://www.webroot.com/consumer/products/spysweeper

There is a free online scanner.



Thanks Pierre.

I found info on Trojan.Startup.Nameshifter.XXX

Are they all the same?

Ken
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Old 11-16-2005, 10:50 PM
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Restore as virus protection?

I quit running any virus protection other than "mailwasher" and I've taken steps to keep my address book from being Hi Jacked.

I've been able to quit worrying about viruses by building a really current restore point and whenever I suspect a problem I just return to my restore point.

I keep very little on My C: partition to lose... favorites, addresses and e-mails can be saved on the other Partition or hard drive when needed.

windows-XP and I think Win/me have RESTORE programs built in and are worth getting familar with.. I use win2000Pro and a little program that came with my motherboard called RestoreIt.....

http://www.farstone.com/home/ensite/...estoreit.shtml

requirements
CPU: Intel Pentium 133 or higher
RAM: 256MB or more
Hard Drive: 400MB free space for the program and partition
Operating Systems: Windows 2000 and XP platforms for desktops and laptops
RAID Support: RAID 0/1.... I have installed it on hard drives without RAID Support

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I've used the built in XP restore Program to build the same recovery protection on a couple of computers.

The key to making this an acceptable method is returning to the restore point before before making permanent changes and then creating another.

I usually make the new restore point a temporary one for a few days while I check for problems before making it permanent... windows XP allows more freedom there it seemed .

Not a plan for everyone for sure but once in place all problems go away with a mouse click.
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:12 AM
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Webroot Spysweeper also has a free 14 day trial copy you can download, available from http://www.webroot.com/consumer/down...9941ba8e8052f1

The trojan your friend has is often tied to the Vundo (Virtumundo Trojan), or Apropos infections.

You would be well advised to run a copy of HijackThis on his computer, then post a copy of his log to one of the following forums for analysis.

http://spywarewarrior.com/index.php
http://castlecops.com/forums.html
http://www.spywareinfo.com/tempforum/index.php?act=idx
http://forum.malwareremoval.com/prof...610a8387960061

These are serious infections, and can be very difficult to remove. Often auto tools do not do a very good job of totally cleaning a system, and re-infection can occur.

Apropos in particular comes with a rootkit, and this can only be removed using specialist tools. (Sometimes not even then).

HJT available from http://www.merijn.org/files/hijackthis.zip

Good luck,

Gary
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Old 11-17-2005, 05:57 AM
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I quit running any virus protection other than "mailwasher" and I've taken steps to keep my address book from being Hi Jacked.

That is a very poor method, and in reality gives no protection at all
If you have a dormant virus within your file system, you will be restoring the virus as well as the windows There are also viruses/worms out there that can rewrite themselves in to the system as you run the restore point procedure. By saving file to another drive or partition, it does not make them safe. In fact the viruses can spread to any drive or partition within the system, so they may be reinfecting your windows.
Anti virus software is free and all over the net, so I would advise getting some protection back on your system.
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Old 11-17-2005, 06:37 AM
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Don't be such a Know it all

Not a plan for everyone for sure

A lot of people don't get it... but no.. there are no viruses built into the permanent restore points.

By always returning to the restore point before making changes (and creating a new restore point when finished) the system hasn't been exposed to the net.

Just think of formatting the HDD then sitting down and installing windows, all software, preferences and other tweaks all at one time without ever going online before making that restore point.. In effect that is what is accomplished by always returning to the restore point before making changes.

That said, I did go online once to download and install service pack#4 for win2000... but... after doing that I 1st made a new restore point then went to trend micro's "house call" ran their scan for viruses..... found none... and then returned to the restore point I made before running the scan.. which means all traces of going back online for the House call scan were also removed..

It's tricky! and you have to be dedicated to returning to the restore point before making changes but it does work..

another advantage I find is that I have no fear of installing trial software.. things I may not want .. or full versions of software until I decide which portions are actually usefull.

I've heard there are viruses that cross over partitions but I've never had one and I've been tweaking this restore point idea for nearly a year with no problem at all.. As a precaution I have made backup DVD's.

If anyone does try this I've found it interesting and learn little tricks to make it easier... like starting a list of all the little things to be added next time I make a major change... for instance one was to be signed in here.. another was to open all my photo files with the PhotoShop browser so that thumbnails were made.. I made a few stationarys to choose from in outlook express and so on.

I even have a shortcut to the "list" on my desktop.. the actually list is kept on the other partition so that when I use the restore point the shortcut brings up the current "list".. whoever that makes sense to will have little problem using this method.

Besides virus protection the speed enjoyed after restoring makes it worthwhile.. I have about 3 gigs of windows and software installed and defragged when I return and the machine runs quick... none of the debris.
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Old 11-17-2005, 08:21 AM
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Fair enough, but as a Microsoft Registered Partner and IT adviser, I wouldn't recommend it If you are happy with how it works for you, then thats OK for you. But as a general/possible alternative to Anti-virus protection, it wouldn't give the cover needed for people using the net on a day to day basis.
One worm/virus that is flying all over at the moment is Linux.Plupii. It is exploiting Linux based web servers all over the world, and has attempted to get to my Windows based server many times. I have security in place that not only told me of the attack, but also told me when and where it came from. If the host of this site was hit by it, the hacker would be able to change scripts within this site and infect members (without anti-virus protection) with any number of viruses/Trojans/worms etc.
I have just had to inform an IT college in Bathurst, Sydney,(Au) that their system has been hit by it, and they are at risk of infecting users of their site and server. Not to mention the fact that until they patch their system and reinstall everything from scratch, it is constantly trying to search out other web servers to infect (mine being one of them). Neither their head of department, or IT manager were aware of the infection and they had no signs of it from their server logs or scans, but sure enough it was there.

PS: wasn't having a go at what you said, just didn't want to let people think they could drop anti-virus and use that method as a replacement

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Old 11-17-2005, 08:52 AM
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Legend in your own mind?

That's more of a rave about your skills...

I am on the net 15-20 hrs a day... On A phone line, I mention that as those virus protection programs have a more noticeable slowdown effect on those of us trying to keep up with the increasing demand for more speed on the WWW.

Before developing this technique for utilizing restore points I was accustomed to formatting and reinstalling everything on Partition C: ... to get rid of bugs and glitches. I had gotten good at it and kept most of the needed installs on another Partition to accelerate things but it was still drudgery.

This does all that but much more thoroughly.. No forgotten tweaks. and it all happens with a click of the mouse and a leisurely trip to the kitchen for a coffee refill.

It's not high tech.. I find it interesting and I simply offered it as an alternative... those who embrace the offerings of virus protection software won't have paid this advice any notice.. It's for the others..
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Old 11-17-2005, 09:12 AM
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Don't be such a Know it all
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That's more of a rave about your skills...
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Legend in your own mind?
There was no need for any of that ?????????????????
I've given people/you my advice/opinion, take it or leave it. The choice is theirs/yours to make.
I won't bother giving IT advice again on here, as it seems it is not appreciated
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Old 11-17-2005, 09:21 AM
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Is this a case of the pot calling the Kettle black?

Have you forgotten your opening salvo?

That is a very poor method, and in reality gives no protection at all

I'm sure you are offering worthwhile advice .. but be careful of your critiques of other's ..
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Old 11-17-2005, 09:41 AM
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I stand by that statement 100%.
Did you forget this part.
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PS: wasn't having a go at what you said, just didn't want to let people think they could drop anti-virus and use that method as a replacement
End of discussion
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