Microsoft Vista

Bob Mc · #1 01-22-2008, 08:28 PM

Looks like I might need a new pc.

There is limited flexibility for configurations with the "big" manufacturers for an XP box

So,...

Is anyone using any plug-ins that don't work well in Vista- Do Impressionist and Buzz Pro work ok?

Thanks for any compatibility info you gan give

Regards
Bob Mc

Dave.Cox · #2 01-22-2008, 10:12 PM

I have yet to upgrade. I prefer to wait until service pack 2 comes out, so the bugs will be fixed.

Doug Nelson · #3 01-23-2008, 12:29 AM

I have had problems with a few plugins, but with only one exception they were eventually patched to work with Vista.

The primary problem is that Vista has strict rules on where apps are allowed to place files. I personally feel this is a good thing, but then I don't write apps. So if an installer trys to install apps that place files in illegal areas, they either fail or the app fails.

You can manually defeat this by running the installer with admin priveledges, but that defeats the entire point.

palms1 · #4 01-23-2008, 04:27 AM

I have had the trial buzz run ok on vista I havent got round to trying impressionist yet. If i get time i will try it out soon
One thing i have found with vista home edition is, it isnt as bad as feared, I had to download a couple of drivers for things but that is all really

Palms

Bob Mc · #5 01-23-2008, 01:15 PM

Thanks All

It sounds like Vista being the kiss of death is somewhat exaggerated. That being said - moving applications and settings is not for the faint of heart or energy, anytime.

Regards
Bob Mc

dkcoats · #6 01-23-2008, 01:34 PM

Impressionist works fine and so does Buzz. I haven't found a plug-in that doesn't.

Macmagoo · #7 01-31-2008, 04:12 PM

Vista is a heap of junk, if you have any sense you will stick with XP. Or you could go for an improvement by switching to OS X or Linux. Microsoft were already working on their next OS before Vista was actually released. That seems like a great was to treat your millions of customers.

DannyRaphael · #8 02-01-2008, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Macmagoo

Vista is a heap of junk, if you have any sense you will stick with XP. Or you could go for an improvement by switching to OS X or Linux. Microsoft were already working on their next OS before Vista was actually released. That seems like a great was to treat your millions of customers.

I'm curious: How long did you use Vista before arriving at your conclusion -- or is your opinion based on what you read and/or heard from others?

I opted to upgrade from W2K to XP instead of Vista because it's been my experience that ver 1.0 of any new OS tends to be a little rough around the edges.

FYI: Large software companies like Microsoft, Adobe, Corel, etc. are working in parallel on "the next version[s]" of major products when the current version is released. (I used to work for such a company.)

Macmagoo · #9 02-01-2008, 02:21 PM

I had Vista from its release until October 2007. It was on a Dell XPS laptop which was £1800 pounds worth of hardware. It is a poor operating system in comparison with XP or OSX. Dell have actually requested that Microsoft hold off on withdrawing XP and support for it. Typical Microsoft millions of customers being left high and dry if they don't switch to an OS that is not even going to last 2 years. Overall it sounds a bit like a Windows Millennium scenario.

Macmagoo

DannyRaphael · #10 02-02-2008, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Macmagoo

I had Vista from its release until October 2007. It was on a Dell XPS laptop which was £1800 pounds worth of hardware. It is a poor operating system in comparison with XP or OSX. Dell have actually requested that Microsoft hold off on withdrawing XP and support for it. Typical Microsoft millions of customers being left high and dry if they don't switch to an OS that is not even going to last 2 years. Overall it sounds a bit like a Windows Millennium scenario.

Macmagoo

Your hands on experience adds considerable credibility to your assessment. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience with it on your Dell laptop. That's a lot of money. Did you replace Vista with XP, or get another laptop?

Was in unreliable? Slow? Problems with application compatibility? Other issues?

I was aware of plans to extend XP support. Didn't know Dell had a hand in that.

Macmagoo · #11 02-04-2008, 04:27 PM

I got sick of it doing its indexing sometimes sounded like my hard drive was going to take off. It uses indexing to speed up file loading and finding. Compatibility with some of my favorite software was not great. It would switch from the Aero interface to a standard interface with a lot of programs. The interface is not the best I have seen. I personally feel that one good thing has came from this and that is, I will never use a Microsoft OS ever again even if they become the only OS manufacturer.

l2jc · #12 02-04-2008, 05:40 PM

Vista has multi-threaded explorer which is GREAT. superfetch and ready boost is great too. However it can bog down your performance especially when you first start up. it only takes about a minute for it to load all your commonly used apps into ram so that it can load the app instantly. After using vista, using mac osx or xp kinda drags because programs load so slow. People complain vista is slow or eats up ram. If that's your case, either upgrade to 4 gigs of ram with 64 it OS, or go to services under admin tools and disable superfetch and readyboost. that'll fix the problem. Remember to defrag and routinely clean out your shadow copies or disable it altogether. Learn to use the computer before you complain about it. Vista is very nicely created. Given I've come across a couple bugs, but tell me what program, application, or operating system doesn't? Update all your drivers. Know your stuff. Then you'll be set.

Macmagoo · #13 02-05-2008, 01:23 AM

I think the best quote about vista I have seen must be "Lipstick on a Pig". I thought it summed it up nicely. I also find it rather insulting when someone replies with "Know your stuff. Then you'll be set". I am a 50 year old MCSE that remembers things like Windows 3.1 and using programs like Supercalc and Rapidfile. To finish I need to shout this out so here goes, NO HOME PC OPERATING SYSTEM SHOULD EVER NEED 4GB OF RAM TO RUN WELL.

myfairies · #14 02-05-2008, 02:34 AM

I've been having Vista since September and I'm not happy at all. Had I know it I would have waited for a pc with xp.
I keep on having problems with flash related programs. IE often freezes, the explorer tool often does not work. All those things (and many more) happen to other people who have Vista.

Moreover some of the "little" softwares I used daily do not work with Vista (but this is obviously not due to Vista).
So be careful. If you use minor softwares which are important for your work think before moving to Vista. I'm too lazy to do anything about it and honestly I spent a lot for this pc (a lot at least for me) so I cannot afford to buy another one or spend anything to move all my data and have Vista replaced.

DannyRaphael · #15 02-05-2008, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Macmagoo

I think the best quote about vista I have seen must be "Lipstick on a Pig". I thought it summed it up nicely. I also find it rather insulting when someone replies with "Know your stuff. Then you'll be set". I am a 50 year old MCSE that remembers things like Windows 3.1 and using programs like Supercalc and Rapidfile. To finish I need to shout this out so here goes, NO HOME PC OPERATING SYSTEM SHOULD EVER NEED 4GB OF RAM TO RUN WELL.

Gotta agree about the $4GM of RAM observation. The first mainframe I worked on had 32KB of memory, 24KB of which was for the OS.

FWIW had you noted your obvious (now) experience and industry knowledge in your first post, the replies since then would surely have taken that into account. Quite frankly your remarks at first appeared to be coming from someone w/o any first hand knowledge of the subject and because of your login name perhaps from one with a considerable Mac bias, warranted or not. Unsubstantiated (at the time) remarks of that nature (on about any topic) are far too common on forums like this.

Given the depth of and breadth of your knowledge/experience, I would have thought you would have opted for XP on the new laptop until at least SP 1 for Vista shipped. (It's going to be available soon per a recent news report.)

I'd be interested to know what prompted you to be among the relatively early adoptors of Vista. Was it so you could continue professional skills development? Obviously the results fell far below your expectations.