Cameras: interesting Nikon D3 vs Hasselblad

[skydog]

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/d3/h3d-1.htm

[skydog]

Like this article as well..

http://www.bythom.com/rationallenses.htm

[Jack The Ripper]

I would love a hassy.

but i will never own one.

so im good with my D90.

[Quantum3]

Nice test... I'm wishing a 16 bit camera since many years ago instead more mp. I thought the new Nikon D700x or the new D3x would have more bit depth, that would be reasonable, not adding more mp...

HEre you have another test: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng...d2)/Hasselblad

[pixelzombie]

the Hassy is sharper, no surprise there..i don't see what the comparison was meant to prove...

[Quantum3]

Originally Posted by pixelzombie

the Hassy is sharper, no surprise there..i don't see what the comparison was meant to prove...

How camera solves dinamyc range. However, in the comparisson I saw in another websote, both Dr and Hasselblad seems to have the same dynamic range... (?)

[Tareq]

I don't believe those tests even they re so scientific, i only believe what i can see, i did a test with my H3DII-39 against my 1DsIII and the H3DII was the winner in everything [color, contrast, DR, sharpness], so i just need to bring D3 or D3X and do another test and see, but i have a feeling that the H3DII will be the winner again, the studio portraits shots i've taken by my H3DII blow away all my shots taken by my 5D, 1DsII, 1DsIII.

[Quantum3]

I also don't believe in those tests, but that's the only thing available so far. We don't have so much cameras around here. I have never seen any of those cameras you say, just my D700 that was a pain to get.

[Tareq]

I have those Canon cameras i mentioned above with that Hasselblad, i even bought 2 film medium format cameras [Hasselblad 501CM & Mamiya RZ67ProII], and i dream to have a Phase One digital back [minimum P65+] if i can afford it.

Really the results from that Hasselblad H3D is horrible, making me hard to use Canon DSLRs, but good for travel and sports i use Canon, but for studio Hasselblad all the way, when crop the RAW and look at 100% from Hasselblad and Canon/Nikon shots it will show clearly who is the winner, but too bad in many many forums people trying very hard to dump that Hasselblad or Medium Format and telling that those new 35mm DSLRs are the best in the world and no need for medium or large formats, because they want only fast camera or high ISO handle camera or lightweight camera, but i have a feeling that because those digital medium format cameras are crazy expensive so that they try not to look at it and prefer cheap DSLRs even D3X or 1DsIII.

[Quantum3]

Tareq, keep in mind that your reasoning is quite selfish. What's cheap for you, it's not for others. I worked my ass off for a year to buy the Nikon D700 and other people, in worst conditions, even don't know what's a camera.

[Tareq]

Originally Posted by Quantum3

Tareq, keep in mind that your reasoning is quite selfish. What's cheap for you, it's not for others. I worked my ass off for a year to buy the Nikon D700 and other people, in worst conditions, even don't know what's a camera.

And also i worked very hard to afford all my cameras, and i was meaning cheap DSLRs which are less than $1000 or say less than $1500, i still remember first time i bought my Canon 350D i was crying of the price, even any body i buy are so expensive and i lost all my saving money, i bought my 2 film cameras as used as i can't buy then new, so i also work hard to get money to buy something, but when you will have those pro bodies in the future then you will see those entry-level cameras or P&S are cheap, don't get me wrong that i was meaning your cameras are cheap, i don't have 40D or 50D and no 5D mkII not even new 7D.

[Quantum3]

Originally Posted by Tareq

And also i worked very hard to afford all my cameras, and i was meaning cheap DSLRs which are less than $1000 or say less than $1500, i still remember first time i bought my Canon 350D i was crying of the price, even any body i buy are so expensive and i lost all my saving money, i bought my 2 film cameras as used as i can't buy then new, so i also work hard to get money to buy something, but when you will have those pro bodies in the future then you will see those entry-level cameras or P&S are cheap, don't get me wrong that i was meaning your cameras are cheap, i don't have 40D or 50D and no 5D mkII not even new 7D.

It's okay Tareq. What do you do for living? Just curious.

[Tareq]

Originally Posted by Quantum3

It's okay Tareq. What do you do for living? Just curious.

I am a civil engineer!

[Quantum3]

Originally Posted by Tareq

I am a civil engineer!

In Argentina you can see a civil engineer driving a taxi, just like many professionals here, earning enough to buy a fuji finepix in 12 quotes.

[Tareq]

Originally Posted by Quantum3

In Argentina you can see a civil engineer driving a taxi, just like many professionals here, earning enough to buy a fuji finepix in 12 quotes.

and why is that? i was planning to visit South America [mostly Argentina] in 2011 i think, but it seems it is better no go there with any of my gear.

Also there are people who are not engineers and even don't have a degree driving best cars or have more than me, too bad that neither civil engineering no photography help me to earn enough, but i should say Thank GOD at least i could afford many things.

[Quantum3]

Originally Posted by Tareq

and why is that? i was planning to visit South America [mostly Argentina] in 2011 i think, but it seems it is better no go there with any of my gear.

Also there are people who are not engineers and even don't have a degree driving best cars or have more than me, too bad that neither civil engineering no photography help me to earn enough, but i should say Thank GOD at least i could afford many things.

Well... you can be here with your gear, but you must talk with some argentinean first. This country it's not secure if you carry many thousand of dollars from your neck. Crime here is high, delinquents are armed with guns and knife. Every single rob is made with guns and there death is involved at any hour, not only in the night. There are places more dangerous than others, of course. But if you to Buenos Aires, to the Recoleta, then you will find some relax. There are other calm neighborhoods, but it's just the less.

Professionals here are not well paid, nor here there is no jobs. Too much unemployement and corruption. In your country, even people without degree is able to get a car, well... here it's not possible. Not all people have a car here. It's all the same, degree or not degree people here is condemned to live poorly. Of course, some people earns a lot of money, but just a very few people. For example, a low-medium wealth citizen from Canada is equal to a high wealth from here but we don't have all the benefits of a good country like Canada. We don't have good health care systems, nor we don't have security/safeness, laws are broken every minute, the government is corrupted as hell. Now the newspapers are getting attacked by the governments mafia, TV is getting controlled... Like comunism...

[Tareq]

Originally Posted by Quantum3

Well... you can be here with your gear, but you must talk with some argentinean first. This country it's not secure if you carry many thousand of dollars from your neck. Crime here is high, delinquents are armed with guns and knife. Every single rob is made with guns and there death is involved at any hour, not only in the night. There are places more dangerous than others, of course. But if you to Buenos Aires, to the Recoleta, then you will find some relax. There are other calm neighborhoods, but it's just the less.

Professionals here are not well paid, nor here there is no jobs. Too much unemployement and corruption. In your country, even people without degree is able to get a car, well... here it's not possible. Not all people have a car here. It's all the same, degree or not degree people here is condemned to live poorly. Of course, some people earns a lot of money, but just a very few people. For example, a low-medium wealth citizen from Canada is equal to a high wealth from here but we don't have all the benefits of a good country like Canada. We don't have good health care systems, nor we don't have security/safeness, laws are broken every minute, the government is corrupted as hell. Now the newspapers are getting attacked by the governments mafia, TV is getting controlled... Like comunism...

I heard about that, not just in Argentina, but also in Columbia and Bolivia and Paraguay and many countries in South America, too bad i always travel with good equipment not some money not that much, and i really want to visit South America somewhere but who knows.

About the living and salary and lifestyle, each country has its own, some countries are rich and others not, for Example Russia is not all are rich but they have the most richest in the world, i have read in newspaper that maybe 70% of billionaires are in Russia but when you go there you may find many people there are cheap, here even in my country not all are rich, and not all have car, but few have many things, and in fact with oil in my country we all should be rich and happy but that is not true, we feel with that oil here and still no much we have is same like you with no job or no good money that if you don't have oil, so what we can do or what we need to have money if we have oil and nothing much? i can't travel much but there are many others can travel from my country, i know that we are better than you in economy, but that doesn't mean we are all happy and all are rich and we can do everything, i always hear that the economy in USA is so bad and they have a big crisis more than others in the world but i see that many Americans have more cameras and equipment more than me and you, even with all gear i have now there are Americans think that i don't have much enough, so are they rich or i am not rich? i understand your situations, believe me here also many many people can't buy a good cameras like D80 or 5D or D700, so if you can't there for your country situations, why we can't afford here with our good high economy?

[RSelby]

Originally Posted by Jack The Ripper

I would love a hassy.

but i will never own one.

so im good with my D90.

Check this out, your going to be shocked the D3X rates higher than the Hassy.

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng...amera-rankings

your D90 is no slouch either!

Best Regards,

Richard

[RSelby]

Originally Posted by Tareq

I don't believe those tests even they re so scientific, i only believe what i can see, i did a test with my H3DII-39 against my 1DsIII and the H3DII was the winner in everything [color, contrast, DR, sharpness], so i just need to bring D3 or D3X and do another test and see, but i have a feeling that the H3DII will be the winner again, the studio portraits shots i've taken by my H3DII blow away all my shots taken by my 5D, 1DsII, 1DsIII.

I think it was simply a point of showing what a $30,000.00 studio camera can do compared to a $4500.00 PJ camera can do. However I know the D3 would blow the Hassy out of the water in low light high ISO situations, they each have their purpose.