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Old 06-07-2011, 09:31 AM
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Scanner for Kodachrome collection

I just inherited the family photo collection of about 4 or 5 thousand 5mm Kodachrome slides. I plan to scan a lot of these. I know what I in for I was a drum & Imacon scanner operator for many years. I have tools to profile the scanner so I would like to do that also. I see a lot of old film scanners on ebay but don't want to be stuck with something that will require a old computer(SCSI) or old OS to make the software work. As I plan to do this over many years speed is not a issue. From what I read the Epson V700 looks like the scanner to get but I am wondering will the V600 do (Money is tight). The scans will be used for viewing on a computer and scrapbooking. Are there any other brands worth considering? But it would be nice to create a higher resolution scan if I want. One question I have about the V700 It looks to be a older model is there a replacement due out soon? If any one has done something similar I would be interested in other soulations.
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Old 06-07-2011, 10:03 AM
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The V750 scanner is top of the range with models in descending order V700 V600 and V500. I have the V500 lowest spec in this range and have been delighted with the results using Epson software and Vuescan. Best software is probably Silverfast but the full version a little OTT IMO on price. Similar questions have been asked here before and e.g.
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/har...m-scanner.html.

Most of these scanners I believe are likely to be USB and most should work and have drivers for your OS - but worth a check first.

While the V700 range has been out some time and normally you expect to see new models every few years somehow I suspect that this not as likely with scanners as it would be with DSLR's for instance.

If all you are likely to be doing is 35mm and due to the quantities I think I would be looking for a s/h or refurbished Nikon Coolscan which IMO is about as good as it gets before you have to spend serious money for a drum scanner. It is quite possible if you buy a Nikon that you will be able to sell on after you have finished and probably not loose much money on the deal
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:06 AM
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Re: Scanner for Kodachrome collection

i'd take a serious look at a dedicated negative/slide scanner. these tend to be better than the flatbeds for negatives and slides. they are specifically designed to pass the light through the negative or slide and thus tend to do a better job than the flatbeds which are trying to reflect the light off a solid image.

check this site: http://www.scanace.com/index.html . i use one from them.
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Old 06-08-2011, 06:57 AM
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i'd take a serious look at a dedicated negative/slide scanner. these tend to be better than the flatbeds for negatives and slides. they are specifically designed to pass the light through the negative or slide and thus tend to do a better job than the flatbeds which are trying to reflect the light off a solid image.

check this site: http://www.scanace.com/index.html . i use one from them.
Thank you for the link, which model do you use?
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Old 06-08-2011, 08:24 AM
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i'd take a serious look at a dedicated negative/slide scanner. these tend to be better than the flatbeds for negatives and slides. they are specifically designed to pass the light through the negative or slide and thus tend to do a better job than the flatbeds which are trying to reflect the light off a solid image.

check this site: http://www.scanace.com/index.html . i use one from them.
While I agree with Craig a quality dedicated neg/slide scanner is likely to offer better results the information that flatbeds are trying to reflect light of a solid image is incorrect - at least as far as the Epson range V500 -V750 is concerned.

All these scanners have a transparancy unit in the lid. This is accessed by removing the white reflectance sheet in the lid and will reveal a transparancy unit which has its own light source which passes the light through the neg stepping down similar to reflectance mode.

An important point IMO is Dmax. The Nikon Coolscan range seem to run from around 3.6-4.8 Dmax. The Epson flatbed range run from around 3.4 - 4.2 Dmax. Therefore in theory the top of the line Epson can match the Nikon!! The problem here is that not all manufacturers use the same criteria/methods when they quote these figures so it is possible to get one scanner with a lower Dmax figure that performs better than one with a higher quoted figure. So I think that the manufacturers claims should be taken with a 'pinch of salt' until you are satisfied otherwise

So the bottom line is some research and looking at independent reviews well worthwhile before committing to buy
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Old 06-10-2011, 02:56 PM
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Re: Scanner for Kodachrome collection

I was going to buy Flextight from Hasselblad, but i found from some forums that it is not a real drum scanner [i thought it is], so i changed my mind over and i will look at a refurb real drum scanner for the best quality i can get out of any film media.
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Old 06-22-2011, 02:21 PM
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Re: Scanner for Kodachrome collection

So I picked up a Epson V600 mainly for some postcards I have to scan for another project. I tried it with the Kodachromes and it's not bad but the focus is just not there. I also got a used Minolta scanner which does a nice job but the dirt cleanup is a big job. I really do not want to use film cleaner on the film. The Ice on the Epson works about 80% of the time. I wish the Minolta had that feature. So now I wondering do I just go for the Plusteck OpticFilm 7600i Ai? I sure would love not to have to clean up all this film.
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Old 06-22-2011, 04:05 PM
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....I tried it with the Kodachromes and it's not bad but the focus is just not there.....
That does not sound correct at least with my experience of Epson. A few things spring to mind:

1. What method are you using to hold the Kodachromes in the scanner?
The distance above the scanner is critical and the fact that you have Kodachromes suggests they are mounted in cardboard sleeves. You might want to experiment a little by increasing or even decreasing the distance between the scanner glass by using shims.
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Even remove one from the cardboard and mount in the Epson guide

2. Try without Digital Ice as this may soften the images -and yes I know that this will increase the workload!
Have a look Here Quote " ICE quite often also has the effect of softening the image to an unacceptable degree"

3. It is usually required to apply capture sharpening after digital acquisition - have you tried this?

It might be useful if you could post at least a portion of your scan demonstrating the focus issue both with and without Digital Ice

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Old 06-22-2011, 04:16 PM
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Re: Scanner for Kodachrome collection

Thanks for the feedback. I have been scanning the slides in the cardboard mount. I know this may not be ideal buy I do not want to damage the mounts. I will try your suggestion with a piece of film that is not that important that I can unmounted. Your post got me thinking, is the sharpest focus point the same for film as it is for prints on the Epson? And does the scanner have a dept of field area where everything is in focus. I report back in a few days. Thanks for your help.
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Old 06-22-2011, 05:59 PM
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.... Your post got me thinking, is the sharpest focus point the same for film as it is for prints on the Epson? And does the scanner have a dept of field area where everything is in focus.
The focus point is I believe different for print and film. For one thing a print is pressed against the glass bed of the scanner while the film is raised off this bed by a small amount in the carrier (probably 1-2mm although I have not measured).

So unless you have a dedicated holder for mounted slides the potential to miss the focus point will be increased.

Perhaps just as significant is the fact that you should not be using Digital ICE for Kodachrome with this scanner - at least with the Epson software.

From the Epson guide with the v500 - assume that this applies to others.

Film type.............................Dust Removal..........Digital ICE Technology
Color negative film........................Yes..........................Yes
Color positive film or slides..............Yes.........................Yes *
Monochrome negative film...............Yes..........................No **
Monochrome positive film or slides....Yes..........................No

* Kodachrome film is not supported.
** Only chromogenic monochrome negative film is supported.
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