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Old 01-09-2016, 06:08 PM
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Re: Graphic Card for Wide Gamut Displays.

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And klev should really check his facts before mouthing off!!
I know I come off as a know it all. Mistakes are expensive when it comes to hardware purchases. That's why I try to be specific. See below.

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The card numbers relate to series therefore you will find that 600 and 2000 series include those mentioned as compatible

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb...-card-faq.html
This is very easy to miss, because it's mentioned toward the end in your link.

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30-bit Display (Windows only): Allows Photoshop to display 30-bit data directly to screen on video cards that support it

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30-bit display is not functioning correctly with current drivers. We are working to address this issue as soon as possible.
It was working with Windows 7 and CS5/6 on some cards, although it used to disable Aero. I don't know if that behavior is still in place. You also have to check the display model, because sometimes a specific brand of display + software will have known bugs with a particular card.

This is why I keep telling you guys to cross-reference everything. Saying things like "10-bit display" and its resolution are not very useful if you're looking for specific information. It's a real mess figuring out what works with what, so you have to be very specific. I wish it wasn't that way.


Okay so your link was helpful in googling.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb...6-gpu-faq.html

The CS6 page also says not working as intended. If the OP is really considering this, I would probably suggest the cheapest card running on the newest architecture. That way it should be supported for some time. I usually like NVidia but AMD has been better supported by photoshop in the past. If he's using After Effects or Premiere or anything else that still uses CUDA libraries, then NVidia would be ideal. I'm looking for a sticky thread or something on Adobe's forums and coming up blank. Whatever he uses, it's nearly useless if it's incompatible with the display oem's software.

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Old 01-09-2016, 11:40 PM
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Re: Graphic Card for Wide Gamut Displays.

I'm talking for this monitor.

http://www.asus.com/IN/Monitors/PA279Q
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Old 01-10-2016, 07:28 AM
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Re: Graphic Card for Wide Gamut Displays.

read studied and searched the points.
guys, give me your opinion about hardware, I'm going through with these -

(1) Asus PA279Q AH-IPS with 10bit color support.
https://www.asus.com/in/Monitors/PA279Q/
(2) nVidia Quadro K620 Graphic Card.
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/quadr...-specs-uk.html
(3) Asus H87-Pro motherboard
https://www.asus.com/in/Motherboards/H87PRO/

thank you in advance.
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Old 01-10-2016, 10:38 AM
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Re: Graphic Card for Wide Gamut Displays.

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I know I come off as a know it all.
And nothing has altered to change that view in this post

In answer to the card numbers relate to series and 600 2000 mentioned as compatible, you wrote:
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This is very easy to miss, because it's mentioned toward the end in your link.
Perhaps you are running a different or backwards browser because in mine shortly after the Adobe introduction about taking advantage of graphics cards and in the section appropriately titled Which graphics cards are tested? the first paragraph states:
Adobe tested the following graphics processing cards (GPUs) before the release of Photoshop CC 2015. This document lists the cards by series. The minimum amount of graphics processor VRAM supported for Photoshop is 512 MB ...

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It was working with Windows 7 and CS5/6 on some cards, although it used to disable Aero. I don't know if that behavior is still in place.
AFAIK Aero needs to be disabled with Win 7.

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You also have to check the display model, because sometimes a specific brand of display + software will have known bugs with a particular card.
Very vague and flaky - where are the specifics you feel that you always stick to i.e. examples of current displays/drivers and their associated bugs?

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This is why I keep telling you guys to cross-reference everything. Saying things like "10-bit display" and its resolution are not very useful if you're looking for specific information. It's a real mess figuring out what works with what, so you have to be very specific. I wish it wasn't that way.
Who are you to be telling us guys to cross reference when you appear to be incapable of doing the same?

The OP made it fairly clear in the first post what the monitor basic are without mentioning brand
"monitor configuration is - AH-IPS 16:9 2560 x 1440, 99% Adobe RGB Color,10-bit color, 14 bit internal LUT."
From this it is a short step to conclude that as long as the rest of the chain supports a 10 bit pipeline then the only graphics card offering support are either Quadro or Firepro

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Okay so your link was helpful in googling.

https://helpx.adobe.com/photoshop/kb...6-gpu-faq.html

The CS6 page also says not working as intended.
Condescending and wrong again!
Interesting that the CS6 page very similar to the CC page including quoting early on that cards tested from the series. Included in both CS6 and CC links are the Quadro cards mentioned in my post i.e. the 620 or the K2200

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If the OP is really considering this, I would probably suggest the cheapest card running on the newest architecture.
Why are you not asking the question what other software does the OP run? For instance if he happens to run CAD or 3D he may need to go for the Nvidia K2200 over the K620 the 2000 series offering generally better faster spec. depending on the app.

IMO there is enough evidence to support the case that 30 bit display works within Windows 7 and up
https://photographylife.com/what-is-...raphy-workflow
Note if you tick the 30 Bit Display option in the Advanced GPU Setup menu you will need to confirm by testing with a test ramp.
http://www.imagescience.com.au/kb/qu...Output+Support
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Old 01-10-2016, 11:05 AM
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Re: Graphic Card for Wide Gamut Displays.

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read studied and searched the points.
guys, give me your opinion about hardware, I'm going through with these -

(1) Asus PA279Q AH-IPS with 10bit color support.
https://www.asus.com/in/Monitors/PA279Q/
(2) nVidia Quadro K620 Graphic Card.
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/quadr...-specs-uk.html
(3) Asus H87-Pro motherboard
https://www.asus.com/in/Motherboards/H87PRO/

thank you in advance.
Asus make fine motherboards and I have built several PC's based on them. My current system based on the X99 board with Intel i7 5820 CPU. Not familiar with the H87 but I think that it has integrated graphics - make sure it either disables automatically when new graphics board added or at least has a BIOS switch to disable.

While Asus may make fine mobo's their monitors are an unknown quantity to me. My preference is for NEC or Eizo and the hardware calibration capabilities with either the Spectraview or Color Navigator software.

The Quadro K620 as an entry level 10 bit card should be fine for 2D Photoshop but check your other applications requirements especially if using CAD or 3D. Many applications that require rendering will benefit from the more expensive Quadro cards. It is not clear if CS6 even extended with 3D capabilities would benefit.
Have a look https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHO9jJVFn2c
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Old 01-10-2016, 02:40 PM
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Re: Graphic Card for Wide Gamut Displays.

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And nothing has altered to change that view in this post

In answer to the card numbers relate to series and 600 2000 mentioned as compatible, you wrote:
Perhaps you are running a different or backwards browser because in mine shortly after the Adobe introduction about taking advantage of graphics cards and in the section appropriately titled Which graphics cards are tested? the first paragraph states:
Adobe tested the following graphics processing cards (GPUs) before the release of Photoshop CC 2015. This document lists the cards by series. The minimum amount of graphics processor VRAM supported for Photoshop is 512 MB ...
Yeah. That page isn't always the cleanest. It describes OpenGL drawing features, filters that are overloaded to use parts of the OpenCL framework if available, and the issue of 10 bit drivers. It conflates a lot of things. When I said newest architecture, it was just so that it would run as long as possible.

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Very vague and flaky - where are the specifics you feel that you always stick to i.e. examples of current displays/drivers and their associated bugs?
It isn't applicable in this case. You mentioned NEC and Eizo. Both ship software with their displays. They list any known problems in their help documentation. When he mentioned specs before, I thought it was one of these. The real problem was that the pages that go to that Asus model do a very poor job of distinguishing the model number. It's off to the side, which is why I think the OP described it that way.


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Who are you to be telling us guys to cross reference when you appear to be incapable of doing the same?

The OP made it fairly clear in the first post what the monitor basic are without mentioning brand
"monitor configuration is - AH-IPS 16:9 2560 x 1440, 99% Adobe RGB Color,10-bit color, 14 bit internal LUT."
From this it is a short step to conclude that as long as the rest of the chain supports a 10 bit pipeline then the only graphics card offering support are either Quadro or Firepro
I'll let you have the last word on this topic, because I've clarified it sufficiently well already.

It just specifies the number of bits used internally and doesn't tell you anything about what is allowed over that connection. Quadro and Firepro are odd in that they sometimes omit certain features on the low end if the low end still uses an older architecture. It's more confusing than it should be.


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Condescending and wrong again!
Interesting that the CS6 page very similar to the CC page including quoting early on that cards tested from the series. Included in both CS6 and CC links are the Quadro cards mentioned in my post i.e. the 620 or the K2200

Why are you not asking the question what other software does the OP run? For instance if he happens to run CAD or 3D he may need to go for the Nvidia K2200 over the K620 the 2000 series offering generally better faster spec. depending on the app.
He has posted on here for a long time. I didn't see any mention of it in all that time. Otherwise I do ask and I ask how they use it. Like photoshop the requirements for other software depend heavily on how hard you push it.


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IMO there is enough evidence to support the case that 30 bit display works within Windows 7 and up
https://photographylife.com/what-is-...raphy-workflow
Note if you tick the 30 Bit Display option in the Advanced GPU Setup menu you will need to confirm by testing with a test ramp.
http://www.imagescience.com.au/kb/qu...Output+Support
I was looking at the complaints on one of the Adobe threads that certain drivers wouldn't work in Windows 8/10. I think it's in one of the ones I linked. Otherwise if you're interested I'll look for it again.

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read studied and searched the points.
guys, give me your opinion about hardware, I'm going through with these -

(1) Asus PA279Q AH-IPS with 10bit color support.
https://www.asus.com/in/Monitors/PA279Q/
(2) nVidia Quadro K620 Graphic Card.
http://www.nvidia.co.uk/object/quadr...-specs-uk.html
(3) Asus H87-Pro motherboard
https://www.asus.com/in/Motherboards/H87PRO/

thank you in advance.
It will work. Firepros are usually cheaper. Sometimes they have problems, but a W2100 is about 60% the cost of that card in the US.

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