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Old 09-19-2003, 01:58 PM
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Sorry to jump in late, but I was just having this conversation with a friend. Here is what I sent to him regarding DVD:

You should definitely buy a DVD writer. Even the external ones can be had for $200 or less. You will wonder how you ever got by with CDRWs or (gack) zip disks. Even aside from the video considerations, being able to fit over 4G of data onto one disk itself is worth every penny.

Since you didn't ask, here are my recommendations (har!):

best unit: Sony DRU-500AX, writes/reads DVD+ and - R and RW, CDRW, etc
best media: Ritek DVD+RW for rewritables, Ritek DVD+R or -R for read-only*
where to buy hardware: I like http://www.mwave.com, fast, reliable, good prices
where to buy media: http://www.rima.com without question
best place to do research: http://www.dvdrhelp.com

* note that this is based on some coaster-making experience

I'm buying -R at about $1.12 each, and -RW at $1.80 each, not including shipping and tax. That's about 53 cents per gig if you do include shipping and tax.

I hope this helps someone. Then again, it will probably help someone develop an intense time-consuming hobby, like putting family home movies onto DVD with motion menus and such... yes, I speak from experience... but it's all retouching, isn't it?

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Old 09-19-2003, 05:39 PM
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Thanks for the info Jeff. I did already buy the DVD, it's a Pioneer DVR-106D. It writes all the formats on DVD R & DVD RW. I am very happy with it so far.

Thanks for the links to the vendors. I have been looking at media and was having problems deciding which brand was safe to go with. Maybe soon the media cost will come down. Right now it is still a little pricey. You don't just walk up to the counter and say give me that 100 spindle of DVD +R.
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Old 09-20-2003, 09:12 AM
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Jeff, I am in the market for a dvd burner. I will more then likely go with Sony as I have had good luck with their products. My question is do the dvd+rw seem reliable? I know there have been problems with cd-rw's. It would be nice to be able to rewrite to dvd's. Thanks.

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Old 09-20-2003, 01:29 PM
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One of the main reasons I haven't gotten a DVD burner yet is that I wonder if there is going to be some sort of "shake-out" where one format (+ or - R) is going to become the "standard" and all newer drives will support only that standard. If I happen to choose the "wrong" one to save my images on then I'll be out of luck.

Is this really an issue or is it my imagination?

Also, is one format better for archiving data than another? I read somewhere (don't ask me where) that DVD-ROM is best for archiving data, yet I don't even see the format mentioned in any current burners/media.

I just recently bought an external hard drive for backing up (only) b/c it just takes toooooo long to back up 60gig to CDs!!

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Old 09-20-2003, 04:13 PM
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Jeanie, a lot of the newer DVD burners out there, like the one I bought, support all the different formats. I think that the +R & +RW formats will win out but until then I can do all of them.

The new DVD burners out now support write speeds of 4X on DVD R and 2.4X on DVD RW. Don't let this fool you into thinking in terms of CD burn times. I can burn a 4.6 Gig DVD R in about 12 minutes at 2X. I haven't bought any 4X DVD +R blanks so I don't have a time at this speed. These are very respectable speeds for creating data backups.

Your idea of the portable hard drive is a good one. I've been think along those lines lately myself. My backup hard drive, which was an internal drive, failed. I was storing my Power Quest image backups on that drive because they were too big to fit on a CD. I hope to do the same thing using DVD's this time. I lost the most important image backup which was the one I made just after loading all the software and hardware on the primary XP machine. Hard drives can fail in the blink of an eye with no warning.
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Old 09-20-2003, 04:19 PM
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Kevin, have you used any of the dvd-rw media yet? For what I do it would be nice to add to a dvd instead of having to burn new ones after one session.

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Old 09-20-2003, 04:33 PM
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Kevin, I know all to well that HDs can fail quickly and without warning. I use my external drive to backup what is on my main hard drives, so I always have duplicate copies. I never have just a single copy of anything that I don't want to lose on a hard drive. If I clean something off of my main drive, I copy it to a CD (often times two CDs depending on how important the data is to me, since CDs can fail too). I don't rely on the external drive to keep the only copy of files that I've removed from my main drive.

Do you know if you can write multiple sessions to DVD-R/+R media like you can with CDRs? Unless I'm doing a major backup, I don't usually have 4+ gigs of data from a project that I've finished and want to backup. Seems a waste to use DVD-R/+R media for just 1.4 gigs of data when I could copy it to two CDRs. Or would you still just copy that amount of data to CDRs and leave the DVD backups to larger amounts of data?

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Old 09-20-2003, 04:36 PM
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Hey Bob. Yes I have 3 of the DVD-RW disks in use now. They work very well. I use Roxio 6.0 and it supports "drag & Drop" to DVD-RW. I plan on using them like removable hard drives. When I am finished with a project I will move the files to DVD+R for permanent storage. I also plan on continue to use CDROM disks for permanent storage as well. Expecially the smaller projects they are so cheap, and I have a couple of hundred of them I need to use.
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Old 09-20-2003, 04:45 PM
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Jeanie, yes you can have multiple sessions of the DVD R media. There is that gap in the medai though, 1.4 Gig is too much to consider CDs and too small to use DVD. I use the CDs only if the project I am storing is smaller than 650 Meg. I put them on the DVD for the larger ones and will store multiple projects on one disk.

I still haven't bought a image managment program. I'm still torn between Imatch and Adobe Photo Album. I have to choose soon because I need to get this project out of the way so I can move on and not have to worry where my files are anymore.
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Old 09-21-2003, 03:38 PM
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Thanks for the info Kevin.

Out of curiosity, how fast is it to retrieve files from DVDs vs. CDs? Some things I hate to put on CD just b/c it takes so much longer to retrieve than from a hard drive. (Or I might backup to CD, but still keep it on the hard drive. Then I can never remember what I've backed up to CD and what I haven't. ) Not that I access those files all that often, but when I do I'm usually in a rush.

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