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Old 09-23-2003, 01:00 AM
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My friend showed me his Canon 300D today. It was very impressive. The shots we took even at ISO 800 were virtually noise free, and the autofocus was almost instantaneous (the best feature in my opinion).

The "plastic" body that people have been complaining about felt solid and well made.

I still am not sure that this is the type of camera that I am interested in, but I was favorably impressed by the quality of the 300D at this price. Hopefully this will leave to deep price discounting in the DSLR market as a whole.

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Old 09-23-2003, 01:35 AM
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Toad -- thanks for the info. How was the shutter lag -- was it more like a film camera, or slower?
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Old 09-23-2003, 11:00 AM
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It was similar to a film camera. In my opinion, the speed that this thing allows you to shoot at is it's best "feature" (although the low noise sensor is also very sweet).

Kind of reminds me of the old days when I had an Olympus OM-1 body and a F1.4 50mm standard lens. No auto focus. You could shoot as fast as you could compose the shot. You could make mistakes in focus, but you never missed the shot because of lag.

I was seriously thinking of either getting a camera without autofocus or at least one where you can turn autofocus off because I am so tried of the lag. This encourages me to think that it doesn't have to be that way.

Still waiting to see the Sony F828 (and anything else that puts in an appearance in the meantime).
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Old 09-23-2003, 04:01 PM
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That's good news Toad. I've been hoping my partner would go ahead and buy the 300D so I could take a look at it. I'm still undecided yet as to what I will do. We all may get lucky and the competition may lower the pricing of their prosumer cameras.

Another good camera besides the Sony is the Minolta Dimage A1. What I like about is the image stabalization feature. If there is one problem I have with any camera is holding it still. The image stabalized lens for DSLR's cost about 1600.00 and up.

It's going to be a very interesting Christmas season this year. We might get lucky and they all get into a price war.
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Old 09-23-2003, 04:11 PM
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Toad, I understand your frustration with autofocus, but with my aging vision, I'll stick with AF -- my eyes focus slower than most any of the AF cameras.

Imaging-resource.com had test times for shutter lag. My current Oly 2100 tested (manual focus, NOT auto focus and no pre-focus) at .40 seconds. Canon EOS 300D tested at .248, while its big brother Canon EOS-10D tested at .146. The Minolta Dimage 7Hi tested at .184. The Sony 717 tested at .136. Since the reviewer only had a prototype model Sony 828 to test, he postponed shutter lag testing until he has a true production model, but he stated that the pre-production model tested "faster than any other "prosumer" level digicam I've tested to date!".

EDIT - Oct. 4, 2003 -- I believe that the testing time for AUTO focus shutter lag is probably a better determinant to show the difference in these cameras since the autofocus speed is very important to shot making. --

Canon 10D -- .146

Canon 300D -- .25 (depends on lens)

Sony 717 -- .63

Minolta 7Hi -- .64

my current Oly 2100 -- .90

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It's going to be a very interesting Christmas season this year. We might get lucky and they all get into a price war. -- Kevin
That's what the New York Institute of Photography is telling us will happen -- They've announced -- "Don’t buy a digital camera before Thanksgiving if you can wait! "

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Old 09-23-2003, 05:12 PM
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Kevin,

IS lenses can be had at much lower prices. For example, the Canon EF28-135mm 3.5-5.6 IS USM is $400 and the Canon EF75-300mm 4.0-5.6 IS USM is $415.

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Old 09-23-2003, 05:49 PM
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Thanks Catia, I wasn't aware that the USM indicates image stabalized lens. I guess I need to follow Canon more closely. All the Canons I have owned have been the older manual focus cameras. Guess that 300D is looking better all the time.

CJ, I don't know if I can wait until Thanksgiving to get a new camera. But I know there will be some major pricing changes. It's too late for any of the competition to introduce a new camera. They will have to respond by lowering their prices.
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Old 09-23-2003, 05:57 PM
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Kevin,

IS is the Image Stabilization designator. :-) USM is Ultrasonic Motor for the autofocus.

Although these two lenes are not L lenses, they produce some very good results given the proper lighting and exposure. Here is one of my favorites taken by Danny Barton with the 28-135 on a 10D http://www.pbase.com/image/20556864 .

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Old 09-23-2003, 08:03 PM
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That's a great shot Catia. I'm glad to get the lens designation right finally. I didn't know those lenses were that reasonable. You know that with the 300D ability to shoot at 800 with no noise kind of negates the need for the fast lens. That is a very attractive feature for me. Now when I shoot action shots I either pay for it in noise with the digital or grain with film. To eliminate that element altogether would be nice.
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Old 09-24-2003, 12:48 PM
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Kevin,

Here is another interesting DSLR photo.

http://www.pbase.com/image/21190102

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