Overwhelmed with recently inherited Photo colection

[mcamp60]

I inherited a lot of old family photographs. As an amateur genealogist I am very excited but the volume and condition have me floundering for direction.

I starting to inventory the collection and soon realized the collection has many items in degrading or are in questionable condition.

Summary of the collection

20+ old photo albums with from early 1900’s – 1970’s. Many photos are on the sticky pages with clear plastic covers.
Many folders & envelopes with loose photographs (same circa as albums)
The BW photos, a few 1000 (pre-1950’s in my collection) are in various states of wear but most are curling, dirty, creased, fading, yellowing, corner and edge wear. A lot of the older photos (1900-1940) have small rips.

I don’t know how to proceed. It seems that a large percentage of these photographs would benefit from some conservation intervention but the volume and the cost are fearful. I started to think maybe I could just put them in archival quality protection, to slow down the deterioration, and work on the conservation aspect overtime but I don’t which type of enclosures that would best.

Any practical advice is appreciated.

[Cassidy]

hmmm, first thoughts are get your scanner up and running and scan them, secondly it is unclear as to whether humidity has played some part in their deterioration, so if so, maybe store in a trunk for a couple of days with an open borax container to absorb all moisture

[mistermonday]

The first thing I would do is use a high quality scanner, and make high resolution scans. Save these unedited files as lossless (compressed or uncompressed) high resolution in a universal format like .tif and archive them on a writeable DVDs, CDs, or bulk external storage drive (like a Maxtor One Touch). If you use CD or DVD, make duplicate copies. This becomes your "freezing of time".
Then as time permits, you can gradually work to retouch and restore the images from the digital files. Until you decide if and how you wish to restor the original prints you should place then in an environment which will slow down or arrest short term degradation due to excessive moisture and temperature which promote the growth of molds and the acceleration of chemical reactions in the paper and the emulsions. Regards, MM

[byRo]

Hi there, mcamp60, welcome to RetouchPRO.

One of our members (sally / saljake@tds.net) is a professional in this area.
Check out her site (http://www.jacobsarchival.com/) for a lot of useful information - see "Free info".

For instance, you will discover that your photos may have more chance surviving if correctly stowed away, than written on a CD.

Rô

[Sally Jacobs]

I see that my reputation precedes me (thanks, Ro!).

mcamp60, it just so happens that we are in a very similar situation. Over the last couple years my husband and I have each inherited small family photo collections from our grandparents. Together they make up quite a large collection: at least a dozen surnames, 1890s - 1990s, sticky albums, loose photos, sizes from small to 11x14. It took a lot of trial and error but I've managed to adapt archival best practices to the realities of a family collection that remains in private hands. Ready? Here we go...

You were dead-on right to start with an inventory. That's *always* the first step. It allows you to identify which items are in bad shape and need help, plus it gives you an idea of the scope of the collection.

For me, the next step was to rescue photos from sticky albums. These are notoriously hazardous to photographs. I call them a chemical sandwich -- acidic backing board and glue on one side, polyvinyl on the other. Terrible! The best tool for removal is called a microspatula. It's a very simple stainless steel tool that's made for scooping powdered chemicals -- but just the thing for separating a photo from a sticky page. I sell a Photo Rescue Kit on my website that includes white gloves, archival bond paper and instructions.

This rescue not only gets them into a more stable environment to slow down the deterioration, it also reduces much of the bulk. (Bonus!)

Be sure to retain any information that's on the page. I didn't come across this in my collection, which is very different from paper page scrapbook albums (which usually have something written on the page).

*How to sort them?

I sorted by surname and then by date. I also separated the 4x6 and smaller from the 5x7 and larger prints. Archival best practice is to store similarly sized prints together because it reduces abrasion and curling.

*Where to put them? (My system)

(1) Photos 4x6 or smaller go into paper envelopes that are acid free, lignin free and have passed the Photographic Activity Test (PAT). Then they go in a box which allows the envelopes to stand up, which makes it very easy to thumb through the collection this way. Until the box is full you should keep the envelopes from shlumping down. Fortunately, the paper envelopes are made of sturdy paper and offer some additional support.

You can find the envelopes and boxes at archival supply companies like Light Impressions. I sell a kit on my website that includes 25 envelopes and a black box.

What I love is that you can fit multiple prints in each envelope. Archival best practice says not to have too many, but I think this is a case where practicality has to rule. I put up to 20 or 25 prints in each envelope. There's no question they are better off that way than loose in a shoebox or in a sticky album.

Damaged prints should be wraped in acid free paper or put in their own separate enclosure. The prints in my collection are in great shape as far as curling and tearing, so I haven't struggled with this issue yet. We can talk about this more off the list if you like.

Mark the envelope with identifying information. "Robt S. Jacobs, 1930-35" "Harry Jacobs, ca. WWI" "Sally Jacobs 1980-86" "unidentified Jacobs ca. 1900" "photos to be framed" &tc. Be sure never to write on the envelope while there are photographs inside!

(2) Photos 5x7 and larger go into paper envelopes and then into an 11x14" flat box. Also available from archival supply companies. I haven't sourced good paper envelopes for the oversized yet. (Did I mention I'm only half way through my project? ) Right now the prints are in manila envelopes that were part of the sorting process. Those are *not* OK for the long term, but we have to be pragmatic about large projects like this. I'm trying not to set the bar so high that I get overwhelmed and give up. "Baby steps, baby steps, baby steps" is my current mantra.

*Why paper?
I decided on paper because it allows me to sort into groups and also to ID photos without actually writing on the prints. I also love the paper envelopes/box combination. Here's an example of why: I'm creating a DVD slideshow for my Dad's 60th high school reunion. The letter asking alumni to submit photos for this collaborative project went out a week ago. At the last minute I was asked to incude a photo of my Dad from 1946. It took me less than 10 minutes to locate, scan, and email the perfect photo. Now THAT'S a sytem that works!!

*Conservation vs. Re-formatting
I would advise against repairing tears yourself. Tape is not going to help in the long run. There are some simple ways to relax a print to fix the curling. You are correct that professional conservation treatments are very expensive. It really depends on your budget.

But here's a question that might help: Do you need to save the artifact itself, or is it the *information* contained in the artifact that you truly value? If you answer in the latter then scanning and printing an archival quality print is the answer.

I hope this helps. Please let me know if any of it doesn't make sense or if you encounter a situation I haven't covered.

mcamp60, you are a FABULOUS family archivist and I applaud your efforts!

Way to go!

-Sally

[RL Design]

Just my 2 cents... I have always wanted someone to ask me to quote this type of project. This is what I would be quoting for (a.k.a what I would do if they were mine). I would scan all of the photos, apply light retouching to all (unless more was desired) and then print a coffee-table book for the customer. The book would include all of the photos at a fraction of the cost of having them reprinted individually and duplicate books could be made for other family members. Perhaps all members interested could split the cost. Dates and text could be added to the book as well. I would give a huge quantity discount for the work. I have tried to encourge customers in the past to hand over thier projects for this, but so far it is just a dream of mine. Oh, and not just for profit , I just think it would be a fantastic job to work on!

As for storing the originals, I am not an expert on this, but it looks like you have had some good advice allready.

[Sally Jacobs]

Robin,

I think a book is a great idea. (On acid free paper, of course!) Like a digital scrapbook, which is just the thing for craft-impaired people like me. This is actually my long-term plan for my family collection. Easy to make copies for everyone and presumably less expensive than printing hundreds of photographs archivally.

I *REALLY* love the idea of scanning recipe cards, ticket stubs, newspaper clippings, handwritten letters, and even wedding certificates. I also want to include short vignettes that relate favorite family stories. But I'm not going to deal with the final presentation until everything is in stable condition and sorted. (baby steps, baby steps, baby steps...)

Years ago, I was the image researcher for a great series of heavily illustrated historical coffee table books for 8-12 year old girls. I wish I could get one of those designers to do my family's book! (For an example, http://www.amazon.com and search for "Welcome to Kit's World")

-Sally

[Earlene]

Hi, I'm new to all of this but here goes:

I, too, have recently acquired a sizable collection of old family photos with the same problems: album pages falling apart, photos glued to the pages, etc. Reading your posts has really helped answer alot of my questions except one. I would ultimately like to be able to take the photos out of the envelopes that Sallly suggested and place them in some sort of viewable format (like albums) so that we can enjoy them. I'm a little overhwhelmed now, though, as to how to decide how many albums, what size, etc.

Any ideas?

Earlene

[philbach]

One thing about digital photography or a large collection of photos is how to present them to others. What I do is turn them into a movie and make a DVD and add titles and music. At about 4 seconds per picture thats 15 pictures per minute and 150 per ten minutes. So you can really show a lot of data in a 15 to 20 minute movie.

Another way to put the photos on a web site.

[Sally Jacobs]

Earleane, Welcome!

I feel very strongly that photographs should be enjoyed. My plan is to get everything stablilzed first and then to think about display once that's done. This is a big big project and I expect to be working on it for a loooong time.

And I have yet to find my ideal album. I want one that (1) meets my high standard of quality - PAT Passed and metal binding that won't come apart - (2) has space for caption information and (3) is slip-in rather than glued. I'll post something here if/when I find it.

Until then....

The safest way to display photo in an album is to use adhesive archival photo corners and high quality acid free paper. The glue never touches the photograph itself and photos can easily be removed at any time. You can find these supplies at any scrapbooking store and probably even a scrapbooking section of a craft store. You can include extended captions and notes directly on the album pages. Unfortunately for me, I am utterly craft-impaired and can't seem to place a photo straight using this method.

The least expensive alternative is clear slip-in pages with 3-hole punches that go into a binder. Stay away from vinyl binders and go for a cloth-covered one. The least expensive supplier of PAT-passed sheets is Print File. (www.printfile.com) I wouldn't shop at pfile.com because they also sell Pioneer products which have never been tested for the Photographic Activity Test.

Light Impressions sells a nice album called "Imperial Slip-In" It's about $30 and it holds 300 prints up to 4x6. My only complaint is that the binding is glued rather than metal. Prints are heavy and I've had one of these split on me already (it was made by a different manufacturer but once bitten, twice shy).

Phil - I do the same with my digital photos. Everyone loves it!!

[Earlene]

Thanks to all for the ideas. The digital project would be the easiest to share particularly since not all family members get together often to visit. So that will be one of my goals.

Sally, as difficult as it will be to get the photo-corner mounting straight on the page, I will probably have to go with that for these genealogical photos. The Imperial Slip-in format you suggested is nice but it won't support the substantial amount of caption information for some of the group shots and for some of the background story that my Mom is so generous with!

The magnitude of the project is daunting but what was it someone said - was it you? "Baby steps, baby steps"!

Thanks.

[Earlene]

One more question:

Will the microspatula that you mentioned work to separate old photos that are glued (and I mean glued - I didn't know they had Crazy Glue back in the early 1900's!) to the black paper of old photo albums? I thought about cutting around the photographs but that old paper can't be healthy for the photos.

Thanks!

[pepperphoto]

What type of software do you use for your DVD presentations?
I tried my free version of Roxio but I am still looking.
I also have a collection of family photos late 1800's to yesterday to deal with. I try to not let it overwhelm me by thinking of small steps. Had grandfather that was an amatuer photog and I have about 500 images the size of your pinky fingernail.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Larry

[Sally Jacobs]

Larry,

I use iDVD for simple slideshows with title cards as captions, and iMovie for more advanced presentations with voiceover, video & film clips, etc. These are both Mac programs and I love, love, love them. Some day when my kids are older and I have more free time I'm going to create gen-u-ine historical documentaries with this software. (It's good to dream, eh?)

-Sally J.

[Sally Jacobs]

Earlene,

A microspatula can help in your situation if the glue is already drying out and/or it's only 4 dabs of glue on each of the corners. But it can't safely separate a photo that's strongly glued to paper.

Balance test
While it's true that acidic paper will slowly destroy photographs, you need to make sure that the cure is not worse than the disease. That is a basic law of preservation.

I would *not* recommend using solvents or even water to dissolve the glue. If you decide to use either of these measures (both of which I consider extreme) make sure you create a high-res digital copy first as a backup.

Extreme measures
Sometimes the only information about a photo is written on the back, but can't be seen because it's covered with glue and paper. In that case it makes sense to create a digital backup and try to remove the paper and glue. I recommend a drop or two of distilled water at a time, holding the photo in such a way that any excess water drips away from the emulsion.

Less extreme measures
You can either cut out the photographs and put them in a new enclosure, or place sheets of high quality archival *buffered* paper in between each page. Archivists call this "interleaving" and it creates a barrier between the acidic paper and the emulsion side of your photos. Buffered paper will actually *absorb* acid from other materials.

Good luck and all together now:

baby steps, baby steps, baby steps!!

- Sally J.

[HeritageMom]

Hello to everyone. What a fabulous website! I stumbled across it looking for some information regarding my digital photos and just read through this thread with great interest as I'm going through the same thing...I just recovered my deceased mother's albums and photos and I've begun the tedious process of rescuing the photos out of the sticky albums, scanning them all into my computer, and restoring the ones I can.

Two things I wanted to tell you all about-

The Pampered Chef sells these "brown plastic scrapers" with their stoneware that make the PERFECT sticky page album photo removers! They are about 2 inches square and they have a slightly "sharper" edge on one side and are excellent for getting under the tips of photos and then easily removing them. My friend swore by them and so I got some and YEP!!! FABULOUS. I think a set of three is less than 5 dollars.

Second, for those of you that posted about coffee table books and being able to create your own archival printed books, I've got GREAT news. I WORK for a company called Heritage Makers that allows people to create their own online account, upload their photo files, write as much text as they want to, and then PUBLISH Commercial Quality Hard Bound books!! Because you can upload any digital file that is saved in jpg format, you can ALSO do the "digital scrapbook" thing with birth certificates, ticket stubs, postcards etc as long as you save your finished "layout" as a jpg!!

We use a digital PRESS to print each book on acid free, heavy grade, glossy paper and double bind them with acid free glue AND sewn stitches. every page is customizable to the creator and you get to design you own covers too. We even give each book an ID# for reprinting or re-editing in the future...even generations from now.

You can see our products on my website and I'd love to tell you more.

But my MAIN intent was to thank you all for your information regarding preserving photos etc because I teach photo organization/preservation classes in my town and I'm always looking for more tips and hints! I can't wait to read through the forum completely!!

THank you!!

[Sheri Medford]

I too have a huge collection from the 1980 on up. I am scanning and will do storage, CD, and albums of the best of the best. But one thing I did that is my favorite creative project for my parents (years before photoshop) was dad made me a large shadow box (probably 3 x 4 feet) with a hinged glass door and lock. It had small sections that allowed small shelves (the depth of the box was about 4 inches) to put objects. Then I pulled out all the photos, newspaper articles they had saved ( yellowed with age, but in good shape) other items, old thread and thimble of moms, military metals of dads, a shoe, an old baby purse and shoe, a ceramic 1" doll with broken arms, and then filled the box with them, I also added some dry flowers (small bits only in a few places) It is wonderful, and tell their story, a love that lasted 65 years (so far). The photos are central to the display. That way it is on the wall, the most precious is always ready to view. and to pass on to other generations. Question: Is there a special glass or other ways to make the photos and other things (like telegram and love letters) from decaying? Or is a tight glass covered box enough? We have it on a wall out of the sun with a small light to display it. Is that okay. It only takes a day to do after the shadow box is bought or built.

[Sally Jacobs]

Dear Sheri,

I love the idea of the shadowbox, can you post a picture of it? It sounds like such a beautiful tribute and clearly a family treasure that many people can enjoy.

From a preservation perspective, wood is a poor choice for long term storage. Wood has chemicals, colorants (stain) and clear coatings -- and many of these can interact with treasures and cause damage. Metal shelving with a baked finish is the safest storage because you don't have the wildcard factor that you have with wood. But preservation is a balance test. Would a metal shadowbox be an OK substitute? Not really. Too cold, if you know what I mean. So while I can't recommend wood shelves for long term storage...I'm not going to tell you not to use this incredible display piece.

And display is important. Treasures should be appreciated and enjoyed. The stories they hold need to be shared with others. Otherwise they have little value.

Here are some maintenance tips and improvements you can make:

1. Gently dust the objects on a regular basis (thread and thimble, military metals, clothing, ceramic doll)

2. If you like, you can replace the glass you have with UV coated glass or plexiglass.

3. I strongly recommend that you to replace the paper originals -- photographs, letters, and telegrams -- with copy prints made from a scan. Or even just color photocopies. You want to share these items, but you also want them to be readable for as long as possible. Once you've made copies you can keep all the orignals in a high quality archival box ($20 or less) and put it in an interior closet. Interior closets are the part of your house with most stable temperature and humidity levels.

However, I also understand the power of the original, actual, authentic artifact. In that case, I still recommend that you *still* make a second set and put the *copies* in a good box in an interior closet.

I hope this sounds do-able. I try to be as pragmatic as I can with family collections. Best of luck to you, Sheri. Please let me know if you still have questions.

Warmly,

Sally

Sally Jacobs, Archivist

[charlottecut]

First thing-----How is everyones inherited photo projects going?

Hi there, I just found this great site and have been snooping all day. Lots of fun! This is my first post and I feel like I almost know some of you.hehehehe

I am in a similiar situation as my mom passed away last March and I have tons of photos and so did she. Some are doubles-but lots that I didn't have-like my brothers and I baby pics, when we were growing up, and some before I got my own camera (years ago).

I just bought my copy of Photoshop elements and premiere elements 7. I just bought an external hard drive specifically for pics and video.

The plan is to gather all my many pics (camera cards, cd's and eventually scan photos into hard drive) sort them out and tag-Photoshop has a great tool for face recognition-it is a blast to use-and so easy. Then I'm not sure??

I like the idea of coffee table books--that is cool. Also the slideshow cd/dvd's is cool too. Any other ideas?

I am very new at photoshop/premiere and it is taking forever to learn things--I wished there was a class I could take nearby-once a week or something-or find myself a cheap tutor to help me through the rough times. Oh well, I will just keep plugging along and checking out every inch of this wonderful group.

One of the things I can't seem to understand in Photoshop is Albums verses tags? I kind of have the jest of it--but would like to get it clearer before I get into the other 8000 pics I have saved onto my external hard drive (havent gotten scanned ones in yet---wayyyy big job)

Looking forward to chatting in the chat room sometime.

Thanks again for all the wealth of info here-I will be checking back often.

Have a great day and keep up the good work
Char

[LaviniaAnn]

Dear All,
I'm hoping this thread is not so old that someone won't read it and respond. I am working on the photo project for my husband's family-there are five siblings that want to share all the photos of their parents' families and so I am scanning them. We, too, have black albums with photos glued on and can't remove the photos to scan them--there are photos on the back of the pages or I'd cut them off and re-mount. How do you scan whole pages of these albums? Can you really get good individual images? And is it better to save the images in .tif than .jpegs? Do I have to re-scan the hundreds I've already done?
Still new to this--any help appreciated
Lavinia

[Mike]

For album pages with multiple photos, I just take a photo of the whole page with a good digital camera. Import the camera image into PS, select the individual photo that needs work, then when done with the entire page, export a copy of the whole thing to a printer. Much faster than trying to scan in sections and trying to realign.

I always save in TIFF.