Image Help - - Missing Details & Restore

arcadhia · #1 08-11-2005, 05:07 PM

This is the only copy that exists... I tried to find the Original Picture, but I couldn't find it...
Can you advise me on the best way to retouch this picture?
It's only 1" x 1"

[She died in a car accident in 1996, that's why it's important to me in doing a good job THANKS]

Caitlin · #2 08-11-2005, 06:09 PM

I think this will be a simple case of laborious clone and heal (primarily clone given the very uneven texture)

I just concentrated on her face, and the only other element I used is overlaying a lips brush to try to patch her damaged lips a little.

nebgranny · #3 08-11-2005, 07:26 PM

Sorry to hear that someone as young and pretty lost her life. Take care . Neb

Kraellin · #4 08-11-2005, 08:27 PM

caitlin is right. no easy fixes on this one. you've got it to a decent image size, but you still might want to double it. this can make some of the cloning easier in the tight spots. i would also do a little contrasting to bring out as much detail as possible. doesnt need much. with contrast/brightness, i tried just a -5/+5 and that was enough.

you could try running it through polaroid's dust and scratch remover for the scratches and creases, but on sizes of scratches and creases like this, i prefer hand work.

Craig

Duv · #5 08-11-2005, 09:30 PM

This is probably not a difficult restore once you get past the mouth, otherwise, there's a number of ways to correct the rest of the image.

Dave

maureeno · #6 08-12-2005, 10:28 AM

Archadia, I did an atypical retouch, along the lines of a portrait, rather than do a restore to original. I colourised it, as well and didn't do it (unfortunately) in PS. I used PIXL

Maureen

Kraellin · #7 08-12-2005, 01:02 PM

that's an interesting approach, maureeno.

Craig

arcadhia · #8 08-13-2005, 11:41 AM

Thank you all for the advise... I will post as soon as I finish...

maureeno · #9 08-13-2005, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kraellin

that's an interesting approach, maureeno.

Craig

Craig, I thought I'd try a different approach in the event it was a personal memento rather than a request for an accurate reproduction.

In the end, I also used a Virtual Photographer filtre effect which lightened the woman's blouse tremendously. Here's a basic retouch with scrath remover, blurring, Virtual Photographer Ambiance filter and texture filtre.

Maureen

Cameraken · #10 08-13-2005, 02:21 PM

I am posting my unfinished work because I have got stuck.
I’ve got rid of the tear through her mouth but the more I look the more I see teeth here. This alters the whole shape of her mouth.

Could someone have a look at the original and see what you think.

Thanks.

Ken.

maureeno · #11 08-13-2005, 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cameraken

I am posting my unfinished work because I have got stuck.
I’ve got rid of the tear through her mouth but the more I look the more I see teeth here. This alters the whole shape of her mouth.

Could someone have a look at the original and see what you think.

Thanks.

Ken.

Good job, Ken, but I don't see any teeth, though. It looks like another tear in the photo to me, but I could be wrong.

Maureen

Kraellin · #12 08-13-2005, 03:09 PM

ken,

your question about the lips and teeth got me looking closer. i dont think the teeth are showing, but it's darned hard to tell.

i also took a closer look at something that was bothering me ever since this image was posted. her left eye (on our right) is lower than the right. on looking at the image closer and by putting a grid on the image, i confirmed this. then, at looking at what i had thought to be fold/crease marks, i've come to the conclusion that these are actual tear marks and that someone has put this back together from pieces.

now, that also changes things. i've seen features on folks where one part is larger or smaller or slightly out of whack with a corresponding mirror part, like having one foot slightly larger than the other, but i've NEVER seen anyone with an eye that was that much lower on the face than the other one.

and, if you look at the lower lip, right in the middle horizontally, you can see what looks like her lip takes an S curve...seemingly. there are things like hairlips and so on that might account for such a thing, but i dont think so in this case. in light of all the other oddiites here, i'd say that portion of the lip was either put back wrong, someone tried to draw something in after the tear repair, or it's just an anomoly created by the tear repair.

like i said earlier, this is not an easy restore. and ken, i can certainly see how you'd arrive at teeth, and i certainly cant rule it out, but my leaning at this point is not.

Craig

maureeno · #13 08-13-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kraellin

ken,

i also took a closer look at something that was bothering me ever since this image was posted. her left eye (on our right) is lower than the right. on looking at the image closer and by putting a grid on the image, i confirmed this. then, at looking at what i had thought to be fold/crease marks, i've come to the conclusion that these are actual tear marks and that someone has put this back together from pieces.

now, that also changes things. i've seen features on folks where one part is larger or smaller or slightly out of whack with a corresponding mirror part, like having one foot slightly larger than the other, but i've NEVER seen anyone with an eye that was that much lower on the face than the other one.

Craig

Craig, here's a picture of me that bears a similar eye level disparity, but my eyes are really quite straight, my head was slightly tilted in this picture. It looks like Marie's head is also slightly tilted. I could well be wrong though on Marie's.

Maureen

Kraellin · #14 08-13-2005, 06:55 PM

maureen,

yes, i understand and i tried to compensate for that, the slight tilt, but it still just doesnt look right to me. i look at yours, the one of yourself and the individual eye angle matches up with the other. on the damaged pic they dont. the eye angles dont match up right. it just looks wrong to me.

but, on your advice, i'll take another look

Craig

Cameraken · #15 08-13-2005, 07:47 PM

Thanks Maureen. And thanks for the picture. If you put a guide on your picture your left eye is lower than your right but if you add a vertical guide this shows that your nose is to the left of the centre of your lips. This shows that your head is just tilted and you are Perfectly formed. I’ve posted the straightened version.
Craig is talking about a Very big difference.

Craig.
I had not noticed the eyes. But you are correct. Also the nostrils look correct in the horizontal but they appear to be different sizes and the area between the nose and the mouth does not seem in keeping with the rest of the picture.
It now looks like the triangular bit of the picture which contains the left eye could be raised up.

Her lips do take an S curve and that was one of the reasons I thought the mouth was open.

I think I’ll split this picture into pieces and start again.

I have been at RP for about six months. And it’s only now that I appreciate what an excellent job you do. You come along and assess these images and point everyone in the correct direction. You don’t get the praise you deserve for this as no-one sees the immediate results. But I would like to thank you for your contributions. You do a wonderful job.

Ken.