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Old 11-19-2005, 02:13 PM
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Hi Bernie,

OK, first of all any layer can be set to a number or different modes, if you click on your layer palette, then in the top left hand corner of the palette is a drop down menu (set by default to normal), click on the dropdown, and select color from the list.

What this does, is allows just the colour information in the layer to be altered, the luminosity information remains unaltered. In laymans terms, by selecting a colour and painting on an object, it colours it, but retains all the detail, ie the colour is transparent.

So I just sampled a colour from an untinted area, and painted over the areas with a magenta tinge. By adjusting the opacity of the layer (again in the layer palette. Top centre) you can affect how much of the colour overwrites that in the image below.

For cloning I always work on a new layer, as it is easier to correct any mistakes I might make (just erase them using the eraser tool).

OK, open a new layer (a blank one). Now select the clone tool, and make sure that "use all layers" is checked in the toolbar at the top of the screen. This will enable you to select items from the layer below, but the cloned items will be "copied" to the new layer. Now if you make mistakes, just erase them, as you are on a seperate layer, they will not effect the underlying image.

Hope this clarifies things, if anything needs further explanation, just ask.


Flora, welcome back. As usual a peerless rendition. We've all missed you.


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Old 11-19-2005, 02:41 PM
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Hi Bernie,

OK, first of all any layer can be set to a number or different modes, if you click on your layer palette, then in the top left hand corner of the palette is a drop down menu (set by default to normal), click on the dropdown, and select color from the list.

What this does, is allows just the colour information in the layer to be altered, the luminosity information remains unaltered. In laymans terms, by selecting a colour and painting on an object, it colours it, but retains all the detail, ie the colour is transparent.

So I just sampled a colour from an untinted area, and painted over the areas with a magenta tinge. By adjusting the opacity of the layer (again in the layer palette. Top centre) you can affect how much of the colour overwrites that in the image below.

For cloning I always work on a new layer, as it is easier to correct any mistakes I might make (just erase them using the eraser tool).

OK, open a new layer (a blank one). Now select the clone tool, and make sure that "use all layers" is checked in the toolbar at the top of the screen. This will enable you to select items from the layer below, but the cloned items will be "copied" to the new layer. Now if you make mistakes, just erase them, as you are on a seperate layer, they will not effect the underlying image.

Hope this clarifies things, if anything needs further explanation, just ask.

Flora, welcome back. As usual a peerless rendition. We've all missed you.

Gary
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Old 11-19-2005, 09:30 PM
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Thumbs down To Gary

Gary,

Thanks so much for your explanation!! I played with the modes before, but obviously did not understand them. When I tried cloning on a separate new layer before, nothing happened, so I must not have had the 'use all layers' checked. Everything makes so much more sense now.

Thanks again.

Bernie
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Old 11-20-2005, 01:37 AM
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You're welcome. Good luck with your restore.
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Old 11-20-2005, 04:28 AM
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Hi Bernie

The gradual mask I used at the top left was to balance that area with the rest of the picture and helped to balance Joe’s face. (Gary mentioned that).
However as you are using CS2 then using the shadow/Highlight would be better (I’m using PS7). This would not only help with Joes face but will also help with the blown out areas in the dress and veil.

The only areas I painted were the sky, the lake, the flowers and the jacket. All the other colours came from the original.

I remember those ‘Teddy Boy’ jackets as being very brightly coloured (pistachio)
I’d be interested in the true colour

Hope this Helps.

Ken
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Old 11-20-2005, 11:42 AM
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Hi everybody,

Nebgranny, Ella, Gary,

thank you so much for your 'Welcome back'!!!

Bernie,

...sorry for not reacting earlier ... was busy during the week-end.... Here are some details:
  • To minimize the yellow cast, I first used Levels' (Adjustmen Layer) 'Set white and Grey Point' (Curves works exactly the same way). I set first the White Point in one of the brightest veil point, then the Grey Point in a shadow part under the bouquet. (Attachment 1)

  • Merge Visible ....(here is how to do it without losing the underlying Layers)

  • Duplicate the Merged Layer

  • Working on the duplicated Merged Layer, to balance Shadow/Highlights, I opened the Image>Adjustment>Shadow/Highlight Menu and checked the 'Show more Options' box at the bottom of the menu dialog box. (Attachment 2)

  • In the new window, I pulled the 'Shadow' sliders to the left (0) and tweaked the 'Highlight' sliders as in Attachment 3. This procedure darkened noticeably the lightest parts of the image bringing out details otherwise very faded. (Bernie, this should help you with your question about Shadow/Highlights)

  • I added a Layer Mask (hide All = Black) to the Shadow/Highlights Layer, and, with a soft white brush (adjusting its Opacity), I painted over the Blown out parts of the picture.

If you are not yet familiar with Layer Masks, I wrote a Tutorial for beginners ... here .... and here you can read Vikki's excellent Tutorial about the usage of Layer Masks
  • Merge Visible

  • Duplicate the Shadow/Highlights Layer

  • Working on the duplicated Shadow/Highlights Layer, next was the Dust&Scratches part ... Values/Numbers in Attachment 4... Neb, you are absolutely right ...this Layer looks very strange so, I added a Layer Mask (hide All = Black) to the Dust & Scratches Layer, and, with a soft white brush (adjusting its Opacity), I painted over the spots to correct (Attachment 5). Neb, follow the links about Layer Masks if you have forgotten details about how to....
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Old 11-20-2005, 11:47 AM
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Having reached the 5 Attachments limit in my previous post, I continue here...

Bernie,

concerning the 'blank' Layers and their different 'Modes' and the Selective Colors Adjustment Layer I mentioned in my restoration description, here is how to do it:

Blank Layer:
  • Click on the 'Create a New Layer' button at the bottom of your Layers' Palette (Attachment 1)

  • Click on the arrow right of 'Normal' at the top left of your Layers' Palette to get to the 'Mode' Options drop down Menu and choose the Mode you wish. (Attachment 2)

Selective Colors:
  • See Attachment 3

Hope this helps...
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Old 11-20-2005, 10:08 PM
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flora,

i understand how to create the blank layer and the mode, but i dont understand how you're using it? it would seem to have no effect since there is nothing IN the layer itself. i also dont know what selective colors does since i dont have that in Paint Shop Pro 10 or the gimp. is the selective colors bleeding down through the blank layer and being altered by the blank layer and then affecting the layer below that or what?

and, excellent work!

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Old 11-21-2005, 08:13 AM
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Flora,

Thanks so much for your detailed instructions. I will try them as soon as I get a chance.

I noticed that in your restoration, the bride dress is really white, the green bodice ribbon shows a lot of detail, and the daisy bouquet is sharper.

I appreciate all the effort that you have put into this!


Bernie
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Old 11-22-2005, 04:32 AM
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Hi,

Ken,

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cameraken
...I remember those ‘Teddy Boy’ jackets as being very brightly coloured (pistachio)
I’d be interested in the true colour
I'm curious too about the true colour ... I just went for the 'traditional/conservative' choice ...


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flora,

i understand how to create the blank layer and the mode, but i dont understand how you're using it? it would seem to have no effect since there is nothing IN the layer itself.
Sorry Craig ... just like the 'road you know' and assume everybody else does too...
After creating Blank Layers and changing their Mode according to what I want to do, I just paint on them ....
Let's say I wish to lighten a certain spot ... well, then, working on the new blank Layer set to 'Lighten', using a very soft/fuzzy Brush (Opacity 10-30%) and after having sampled 'lighter shades of colour/grey just around the spot, I carefully paint over the spot until it has 'faded' naturally into the rest of the surrounding area ....

The big advantages to use 'blank' Layers is to have correction you can still change or remove completely without having always to start from scratch and it definitely doesn't increase your file size as a duplicate 'full' layer would.

I've been asked a lot about 'my methods' and, being me, I usually answer in details ... but, I've always done it on replies to individual posts making it difficult to find ... That's why I'm thinking about writing a 'mini' Tutorial on a 'cocktail' of my methods for restoring pictures ... I'll let you know.

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i also dont know what selective colors does since i dont have that in Paint Shop Pro 10 or the gimp.
Selective Colors is definitely one of my ... if not my favourite Colour Adjustment Tool .... It's the first one I turn to when it comes to correct colours ... It is incredibly versatile and gives you a lot of control over the correction.

Quoting from Photoshop Help File:
"Selective color correction is a technique used by high-end scanners and separation programs to change the amount of process colors in each of the primary color components in an image. You can modify the amount of a process color in any primary color selectively—without affecting the other primary colors. For example, you can use selective color correction to dramatically decrease the cyan in the green component of an image while leaving the cyan in the blue component unaltered."

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is the selective colors bleeding down through the blank layer and being altered by the blank layer and then affecting the layer below that or what?
Usually, each Layer in Photoshop 'interacts' with the underlying Layers according to its Mode ... and this goes for Ajustment Layers as well ... meaning:

* if I first create a new Blank Layer to lighten or remove a spot (the only visible changes after this procedure will be only on the parts I painted since the rest of the Layer remains transparent 'blank'),

*then I open a Selective Colors AL (Mode = Normal) on top of it, every change I make on the Selective Colors AL will cover\influence everything else underneath ... Lightening 'blank' Layer included.

You can always increase\decrease the strenght of the correction or reduce the area affected by it with the help of the amazing Layer Masks ...

In other words ... a Layer's Position and Mode are crucial for its interaction with other Layers and, therefore, for the end result of any correction.

Hope this helps...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraellin
and, excellent work!

Craig
Thanks Craig!!

Bernie,

thank you so much for your kindness .... and so glad you liked my restoration!

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Old 11-22-2005, 07:41 AM
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Color of the Jacket

Joe's Jacket was a light green, not really a pistachio. I'm attaching a color sample, which looks true on my monitor. I don't know how it will show up on others.

Thanks again, everyone.

Bernie
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Old 11-22-2005, 07:46 AM
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Jacket Color

try again with the attachment
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Old 11-23-2005, 12:23 PM
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flora,

ok, i answered part of this in the other thread where you directed me back to this one. boy, this can get confusing, talking about the same pic in multiple threads.

so, ok, you're painting in the blank layer with the blend mode. good. we've done this before, so that, answers that.

selective colors is not channel mixer or 'red/green/blue' (a Paint Shop Pro color tool). not quite sure what 'process colors' are, but i think i get the idea from the rest of the explanation. i suppose the closest thing in psp is 'channel mixer'.

and yes, i know what blend modes are and do; i just wasnt getting that you were painting in the blank layer. and ok re the selective color al blending down through the other layers.

thanks flora

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