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1950s Kodacolor gone mad

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Old 05-10-2006, 06:47 PM
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Angry 1950s Kodacolor gone mad

I have been retouching for only a year - but in that time have retouched some pretty worn photos - and really old ones. But, this one is quite a challenge

It is a 1950s Kodacolor photo which was sitting in an oval frame at some point. The area of the photo that was behind the oval glass (and exposed to alot of light according to the owner) is lighter than the rest of the photo.

The whole photo is a combination orange/yellow/brown color. I thought it looked like a classic b&w photo that turned color and faded. But when correcting with curves:

- the area of the photo that wasn't behind the glass oval, showed green grass, blue sky, etc. (although extremely blotchy with waves of purple, pink and green here and there).

and

- the area behind the oval glass just goes sepia and stays really flat with hardly any detail. It remains flat and hard to see any detail. The only color that shows in this area is blue blotches.

I have tried color correcting by using levels and curves in the separate R,G & B channels. I've tried correcting the whole photo together - and then separate corrections for the area behind the separate areas.

Even changing it over to b&w (and playing with levels and contrast, etc.,) doesn't help.

When I try to duplicate the layers, etc., to bring out the detail in the faded areas, it only gets darker and hard to read.

Has anyone had any success with photos like this? Is this an impossible task?
I'm getting ready to return this photo to the client cause I've hit a brick wall.

If seeing the photo will help, let me know and I'll upload it.

thanx
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Old 05-10-2006, 08:01 PM
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Seeing the photo will definitely help.
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Old 05-11-2006, 08:52 AM
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posted photo

I posted my photo on my original message at the top.

Any input, suggestions would be so much appreciated! I hate to have to return this to the client, its the only photo she has of herself and her father.
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Old 05-11-2006, 09:07 AM
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the picture is not there
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Old 05-11-2006, 09:16 AM
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photo is finally in place

If it isn't of good enough quality let me know - it only took up about half of the allowed space so I can make it bigger/better.....
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Old 05-11-2006, 09:34 AM
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Just a quick look:
Deleted Blue channel, desaturated image and converted to gray scale, then played around with levels.
Not very clear, but the details do seem to be there. A bit more time and effort could give some nice results
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:12 AM
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Well I didn't do well at all trying to get the color, but I used a levels adjusment layer. The white point I selected was his right shirt color and the black point was his belt. I then tried a channel mixer adjustment layer to get the best contrast. After that neat image and selective sharpening. All sorts of stuff.
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Old 05-11-2006, 10:32 AM
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color out of the question? more details Phil!!



So, would the consensus be that a color reproduction is out of the question? Why is that? Just too far gone?

Chrishoggy: How do I delete the blue channel?

Phil - Your's looks good. Can you offer a little more detail on how you did it?
I'd really appreciate it. Not sure if I can reduplicate what you did at this point. More details on the channel mixer and neat image

thanx

If anyone can get a good color image - let me know.....

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Old 05-11-2006, 11:20 AM
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In photoshop just select Channel view in bottom right corner, right click on blue channel and delete.
It looks like 99% of the colour has been bleached out with sunlight, so I would work on it as B/W and then colourize it. You may get some original colours back, but I don't think they would be good enough to work with.

You will get better results with a high res scan, with no compression. So scan at around 300-600 dpi and then you may see a better image come through with the blue channel removed
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Old 05-11-2006, 12:15 PM
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A very quick try. Applied the red channel a couple of times, sharpened using a high pass filter layer and cleaned up a bit with Grain Surgery 2. A lot more work needed to get rig of the greenish spots and blotches and the frame.
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