RetouchPRO

Go Back   RetouchPRO > Technique > Image Help
Register Blogs FAQ Site Nav Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Image Help Got a problem image? Don't know where to begin? Upload images and ask our users what they think or if they can help

Dark eyes...how would you handle it?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 12-07-2002, 02:06 AM
pstewart's Avatar
pstewart pstewart is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago suburb
Posts: 790
Dark eyes...how would you handle it?

I am restoring some old family pics for a Xmas gift and this one of my uncle has me stumped. Since the head is small (full length shot) and the original picture was small and had to be enlarged to 5x7, it isn't very crisp when blown up to work on it, and I can't see the eyes in the shadows very well. I want to brighten the face and bring out his eyes, but there aren't that many pixels to work with. I am afraid to make it too obvious. How would you experts handle this one?

Thanks.

Phyllis
Attached Images
File Type: jpg dark_eyes.jpg (9.8 KB, 74 views)

Last edited by pstewart; 12-07-2002 at 12:22 PM.
Reply With Quote top
  #2  
Old 12-07-2002, 02:23 AM
CJ Swartz's Avatar
CJ Swartz CJ Swartz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Metro Phoenix area, Arizona
Posts: 3,345
Blog Entries: 19
OUCH! Looks like some that are sitting in a file cabinet waiting for me...

Adding a contrast mask helps some (duped layer ->(already desaturated) inverted ->Gaussian Blurred-> and set to Layer Blend of Overlay or Soft Light (my choice with this image. You can then add layers set to Screen blend and see the white of his eyes (well, light gray of his eyes).
Reply With Quote top
  #3  
Old 12-07-2002, 10:58 AM
jeaniesa's Avatar
jeaniesa jeaniesa is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Colorado foothills
Posts: 1,826
Phyllis - I only see the top part of the image. Can you please repost?

CJ - Do you see the whole image?

Thanks, Jeanie
Reply With Quote top
  #4  
Old 12-07-2002, 11:02 AM
CJ Swartz's Avatar
CJ Swartz CJ Swartz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Metro Phoenix area, Arizona
Posts: 3,345
Blog Entries: 19
Phyllis -- you've got a double posting of this thread -- and now both are not downloading the image fully (the image downloaded just fine last night).
Reply With Quote top
  #5  
Old 12-07-2002, 11:27 AM
jeaniesa's Avatar
jeaniesa jeaniesa is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Colorado foothills
Posts: 1,826
I merged the two threads, but like CJ said, both attachments are only partial images.
Jeanie
Reply With Quote top
  #6  
Old 12-07-2002, 12:24 PM
pstewart's Avatar
pstewart pstewart is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago suburb
Posts: 790
Should work now

For some reason when I edited the post it made a second one AND destroyed my picture in the process...gremlins are everywhere. Should be fixed now. I'd like to know the best way to proceed before I start messing with it to save frustration. Thanks for any suggestions.

Phyllis
Reply With Quote top
  #7  
Old 12-07-2002, 01:35 PM
jeaniesa's Avatar
jeaniesa jeaniesa is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Colorado foothills
Posts: 1,826
Yikes!

My first thought is to try scanning it in RGB, not grayscale. It's possible, even though it's a B&W photo, that you may find the detail you're looking for in one of the individual channels. (My guess would be the red one, but I don't know that for sure.)

I did an experiment of duplicating the layer three times - each with Screen blending mode - trying to see if there was any detail there to work with. I'm not convinced there is. What I see is something that looks like a wide-open eye, but if you compare it to his other eye, it looks a little lopsided and out of place, so I think that the "noise" in the photo just happens to look like an eye, but it's really just noise and not detail in the photo. Then again, maybe it really IS his eye? (I didn't do this as a suggested "fix" for the problem - only to see what I had to work with. I've attached the image here.)

I tried selecting the eye on the right and flipping it to replace the one one the left, but wasn't able to get anything I was happy with in the few minutes I spent on it.

Anyway, my first suggestion is to look at the individual channels to see if there's any detail there to work with. If not, you might just have to leave the dark shadow as is. Messing with the eyes too much is tricky business because they can really make or break whether the photo still looks like the person or not.

Good luck!

Jeanie
Attached Images
File Type: jpg dark_eyes.jpg (14.1 KB, 63 views)
Reply With Quote top
  #8  
Old 12-07-2002, 05:28 PM
CJ Swartz's Avatar
CJ Swartz CJ Swartz is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Metro Phoenix area, Arizona
Posts: 3,345
Blog Entries: 19
If you can re-scan in RGB mode -- I certainly agree with Jeanie that would be worth doing.

With the current image - I applied the contrast mask and merged layers. Then I copied that layer and set blending mode to screen - added layer mask (Hide All) and painted on the mask (with white using a low opacity brush set to lighten) where I thought I saw the whites of his eye. His right eye does appear to look very different from his left -whether from the angle or low contrast in the image or? I have no painting skills, and my vision is much less than accurate, so I'm not positive that I didn't end up painting in parts of the iris etc., but you have painting skills to use once you can SEE where to apply them.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg dark-eye.jpg (14.1 KB, 48 views)
Reply With Quote top
  #9  
Old 12-07-2002, 06:56 PM
pstewart's Avatar
pstewart pstewart is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Chicago suburb
Posts: 790
Quote:
Originally posted by jeaniesa
Messing with the eyes too much is tricky business because they can really make or break whether the photo still looks like the person or not.
Exactly! That's why I was afraid to mess with it till I got some input.

I rescanned it and tried looking at the channels before going to grayscale, but the eyes didn't improve on any of them...too much shadow I guess. However, there WAS some difference in the channels...I never would have thought so, but there was. From now on I will look at channels before changing to grayscale to desaturate...thanks for a very useful tip.

There are two eyes visible all right, showing clearly in your picture and in CJ's. I had found the one on the left but I also see the one on the right better now. I did as CJ suggested and used a contrast mask etc. and got acceptable results, acceptable considering the small size of the head in the final print. The eyes are still in shadow, but even from a distance (looking at the whole pic) they look better, since now it looks like there are actually eyes there and not just folds of skin.

I knew I'd get good advice here...thanks ladies.

Phyllis
Reply With Quote top
  #10  
Old 12-08-2002, 12:20 AM
jeaniesa's Avatar
jeaniesa jeaniesa is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Colorado foothills
Posts: 1,826
Glad to hear you were able to glean something from our attempts Phyllis!
Jeanie
Reply With Quote top
Reply

  RetouchPRO > Technique > Image Help


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Glamour retouch challenge here!!!! superkoax Photo Retouching 332 02-08-2011 09:52 PM
opening eyes in photoshop. looking natural. thekiwilab.com Photo Restoration 7 08-21-2007 09:28 AM
Nose Red Eyes And Dark Pics FP1_11 Image Help 2 07-27-2006 06:57 PM
Red eyes effect removal. Two eyes, two clicks to remove. al_m Software 0 05-26-2006 02:41 AM
caring for your Eyes pure Work/Jobs 1 03-02-2006 09:45 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 08:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2016 Doug Nelson. All Rights Reserved