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Old 05-20-2003, 10:30 AM
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Need some help with this Black & white

Hi everyone!

I've been having some trouble with this black and white photo; it is just not looking or printing well, primarily due to the background which has this matted texture to it and the coloring of the whole picture.

In one of my restore versions, I quick-masked the face and then changed the background with the "edit-fill" command to a very dark brown which I got by playing with the hue-saturation levels and trying to get a bit of color in the image since it looked terrible as a grayscale or when I desaturated it to pure Black and white in RGB mode. But this "brown" is printing erratically; sometimes very dark and other times so much lighter that it doesn't blend well with the woman's face.

This is the original and I'll post my best restore version next.

Any suggestions how to best restore these kind of Black & white images would be most appreciated.

Also what do you think is a fair price for this kind of job?

All the best,
Diane
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Old 05-20-2003, 10:40 AM
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This is my last RGB restored version.

Also as far as the grainyness of the face, is it recommended to leave it as is for "character" or try harder to blend in all the pixels? If so, what would be the best method to do this??

All help will be greatly appreciated,

Diane
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Old 05-20-2003, 04:06 PM
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Well here's my attempt at restoring your photo. After restoring via normal methods, nothing fancy, I lightened the image an extreme amount, this really showed that textured background. I chose a mid gray and just painted over the light spots with a brush set to darken. Next I changed the brightness back to original. One question I have for everyone is this. Would you try and remove that masking tape before scanning? There seems to be no damage under the tape?


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Old 05-20-2003, 05:49 PM
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Wow, KenB you did a really amazing job! It looks beautiful!!

But for us relative newcomers, could you please explain in a bit more detail what you did--i.e. how did you get her hair and face so smooth and silky? Did you use the blur tool to do that?? How and what did you lighten? The whole image or just the background? What mode is your version? How did you get rid of the fuzziness in her hair? Is it a mistake to lighten up her face as much as I did (I think I did it in curves) or is this just a matter of personal taste?

Thank you so much for your help!!

Diane
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Old 05-20-2003, 07:09 PM
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Hi

You need to use airbrush on the skin tones and many other layers as in attached, which include
eyes whites
lip smooth
lip line
eyeline
face shadow
face highlights
blur
high pass sharpen

Thats if you like this style, other wise check out all the tips on this site and spend hours doing them.

Col

PS I did not bother doing the tape bits etc
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Old 05-20-2003, 07:37 PM
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Wow, KenB you did a really amazing job! It looks beautiful!!

But for us relative newcomers, could you please explain in a bit more detail what you did--i.e. how did you get her hair and face so smooth and silky? Did you use the blur tool to do that?? How and what did you lighten? The whole image or just the background? What mode is your version? How did you get rid of the fuzziness in her hair? Is it a mistake to lighten up her face as much as I did (I think I did it in curves) or is this just a matter of personal taste?

Thank you so much for your help!!

Diane
Thanks Diane for your comments.
I used nik pen palette to soften her face, it's a plugin that I got with my tablet. As far as lightening the image, I only did that to emphasize the texture in the background, so I could see it better and where to remove it. I'm using photoshop 7.01. Your version was a little light to my taste. You can look at the images histogram to see how the pixels are distributed.


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Old 05-20-2003, 09:18 PM
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One question I have for everyone is this. Would you try and remove that masking tape before scanning? There seems to be no damage under the tape?
Ken
I believe I would try and remove the tape. There would likely be less to repair in photoshop even if it did damage the photo. With the tame being there the area to repair is much larger.

I must say too Ken, exceptional job on the restoration.
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Old 05-20-2003, 11:08 PM
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Unfortunately, I don't have time to work on this whole image. But, I wanted to see what was possible in terms of removing some of the grain/texture. It looks like this photo is on textured paper, is that true? Assuming you still have the photo, you might want to try scanning at a 90 degree angle from what you did to see if that lessens the texture at all. As far as removing the tape, if this is not your photo, I would ask the client before doing that.

I ran the photo through Neat Image to reduce the texture/grain. (Not completely from the background - I was focusing more on the face and had to balance loss of detail with the reduction of grain.) Also, there is something to be said for leaving some grain, so I didn't try to eliminate all of it.

I then fixed up the big scratch on the upper left and did a levels adjustment to lighten slightly.

HTH,
Jeanie
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Old 05-21-2003, 09:37 AM
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Thanks Jeanie for your response and efforts! This also looks very good. I like the smooth, silky look. I am looking into both Neat image and the Nik penpalette. So far I've found out that the Tablet the Nik palette tools comes with is (only!) $3,499 (through Macmall)! I'm looking into whether you can use the Nik tools without a Tablet.

The photo paper of the original was not grainy at all; rather a thick medium gloss paper.

Are there any other plug ins/filters that might be helpful on this kind of picture?
Can others out there recommend which plug ins/filters are good in have in general for restorations?

Thanks again!
Diane
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Old 05-21-2003, 09:54 AM
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Diane,

Nik penPalette is indeed available for purchase separately from the Wacom tablet. Also, it looks like if you purchase any Intuos 2 tablet from Wacom and register it, you can download penPalette for free. It is available for $100 otherwise. See here for details.

I don't have penPalette, so I can't tell you how it compares to Neat Image in terms of grain removal. All I know is I've been very happy with Neat Image for grain removal (and some JPEG artifact removal). It's the only program besides PS (not a plug-in unfortunately) that I use on a regular basis when doing restorations.

Interesting that the photo is on glossy paper. Is it a copy of an original? I'm only asking because the uneven colors of the background color and even some visible in the woman's neck area look very much like textured paper to me.

Jeanie
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