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Old 10-19-2003, 07:27 PM
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Flora somehow the above got posted before I could say,

Thank You so much for the restoration.

Joseph
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Old 10-21-2003, 10:42 AM
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Margaret, Joseph,

Thank you so much for your great comments ....

....Margaret, I've seen your work ... and admired your great talent

Joseph, sorry I haven't had time for the description yet .... but I'll post it as soon as possible .....
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Old 10-21-2003, 10:26 PM
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Flora,

Thanks for the teeth!

When I was working on the photo I thought that the nose was wider because of the nostril shapes and the width of the flare of the nostril area. But maybe a person with a wider nose would have the top of the nose (from the bridge to the tip) closer to the face...? I am curious if you guessed that shape because it was pretty & classical & there were no clues to it's real shape or if there were any physical charachteristics that you used as a guide.

I might be inclined not to say anything since we all have our own subjective vision, but I see this difference in interpretation as a real opportunity for me to learn (even though it might well show off how much I don't know). Yours is a beautiful job and I really don't know if my assesment of the shape of her nose being wider is right or not ... what do you think?

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Roger
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Old 10-21-2003, 11:24 PM
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Hi Roger,

Actually when I look at both pictures as a whole both of
them are extremely truthful to the look of the person.
I would assume if you knew the person there might be
some very,very minor changes.But as far as the restoration
of that particular photo, both renditions are true.
They are both excellent.

I know some people that must listen to music through
certain speakers and audio systems as a whole in order to
enjoy their music.They will tweak their music systems so they
can hear certain sounds from the instrument's,the bass,etc.
I've never understood that because when I listen to music
I can enjoy it coming out of any type of audio system,
including a transistor radio.
If I look at the picture of someone I know I see that person
whether or not they are in their best clothes or jeans.

I guess what I mean is that when I look at either of the pictures
you or Flora restored, I see that person in that picture.

I see I have quite away to go before I can achieve that
type of restoration.I've sure been practicing and reading.

Joseph
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Old 10-22-2003, 09:08 AM
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Example of Disaster

To give you an example where I was going.This is the
disaster I was creating.I figured I'd put this here
because I see by a later thread it is expected to see
how far the person who is asking for assistance got
with his photo.

Joseph
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Old 10-23-2003, 09:34 AM
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Hi everybody .... sorry for being so late in answering!

Joseph,

....better late than never .... here is the step by step explanation of what I did with your picture:

Tonal Adjustment:
1) Trying to bring out more deatils in the most ruined parts of the picture I used the Curves (you can find a snapshot of the curves which I used on another picture here)
2) Created a Luminosity Mask (Ctrl+Alt+~), slightly feathered it (Radius = 2 Pixels), copied it onto its own Layer (Ctrl+J) and set the Blending to Multiply, Opacity = 40%.

Removing spots etc.:
1) On big areas such as most of the background, Marion's décolleté and right cheek, I used the 'Healing by Pattern' technique mentioned in my first post on this thread.
2) Clone Tool.
3) After selecting 'good' parts from a surrounding area (background only), I used the Layer via Copy method (Ctrl+J)to copy the selection on its own Layer and moved it to cover the damaged part adjusting Contrast Luminosity and Opacity to better blend it.

Enhancing Features and correcting Discolorations or 'Flatness':
1) What I usually do is create new empty Layers playing with Blendings (Normal, Overlay, Soft Light, Lighten, Darken or Color)and with a fuzzy either Black, White or Color Brush (sampling colour from surrounding areas, Opacity 5-60%), paint over the features to either increase depth or enhance highlights to give a 3D feeling to the face. I also tweak with the Opacity until I get the result I like.
2) I use the same 'Layers Method' for enhancing or fading the overall shading of a picture.

Roger,

Looking again at your restoration, I think that the shape you gave to Marion's nose is much more realistic than mine ....I did guess...
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..because it was pretty & classical..
... and was misled by what I took as details (but were, probably, only part of the water stains), after the Tonal Adjustments I did...
After reading your post, I went back and corrected it following your considerations ... and have to say that I like this last result much better ... thank you so much for pointing it out .... I'm posting a snapshot of how I got to my result...and after the correction ...

P.S. Joseph, I have to disagree with your definition of 'Disaster' regarding your restoration .... I think you did a very good job with the cloning on Marion's décolleté (cloning is definitely not my cup of tea!!).
I'd change the background, though ....When changing Background, I tend to use a soft Radial Gradient (keeping the colours as close as possible to the original to minimize transition problems), instead of a flat one colour which I, personally, don't like ....
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Old 10-23-2003, 10:31 AM
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Flora I Thank you for writing the technique you used when
restoring the picture.I have saved it and will again attempt
to work on it.The knowledge is more important than the
restoration. I would like to Thank you,Roger and Margaret
for your input in this little project.It has been a very good
lesson.I have also saved the jpg's as part of the lesson.
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Old 10-24-2003, 12:42 AM
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Joseph,

You are doing really good. The skin on her 'dec...' is almost done. It looks like you are using the clone tool with a stroking action. Try this;

-Set the clone tool at around 30% opacity with hardness at 0.
-Go back and forth between the same light and dark adjacent spots (not strokes but clicks). Sample in the dark area, click in the light. sample in the light, click in the dark.
-With each sample move the sample point a little so it has a random quality.

The goal is to blend the light and dark areas to arrive at a smooth average.

Flora,

Way to go, that is beautiful! The nose shape it perfect. It is a real treat to see something I have worked on and then see it done so well, having worked on it, it really teaches me alot, thanks. I didn't have the guts to run the highlight all the way up the nose not seeing it in the original, but that is perfect and it is the darkness of the shadow in the side of her nose that gives it the width - now I see it ...

Roger
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Old 10-29-2003, 01:06 AM
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Marion

Although I am new to this forum - I only discovered it a few weeks ago - I could not resist having a go at this restoration.

Lots of work and re-work but I felt quite pleased with the result even though it is not a patch on Flora's which is absolutely wonderful.

Christine
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Old 10-29-2003, 06:49 AM
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Welcome to RetouchPRO!!

Thank you for sharing your talent with us

You've done an amazing job on this restoration, and I for one look forward to seeing more of your work.

Margaret
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