RetouchPRO

Welcome to RetouchPRO, the web community for retouchers.

You are currently viewing as an unregistered guest which gives you limited access. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join RetouchPRO today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. If you've forgotten your password, click here.

Go Back   RetouchPRO > Technique > Input/Output/Workflow
Register Blogs FAQ Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Input/Output/Workflow Scanning, printing, color management, and discussing best practices for control and repeatability

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 12-16-2007, 01:40 PM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 10
What is your method of whitening eyes and teeth?

I've been making selections, copy layer of the selection, desaturating, masking out what I don't want real quick, then lowering the opacity to make it look realistic and not over done. What is your way of going about it? I'm not unhappy with mine, but I feel that there might be a better way(as there probably is for most things).
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 12-16-2007, 01:52 PM
teresavigil's Avatar
Junior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Posts: 7
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

i make a seperate layer and paint white on soft light and raise or lower the opacity according to what you feel is good, pretty wuick and simple fix, sometimes if the teeth are actually stained, i dodge them a bit before painting the white layer.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 12-16-2007, 02:02 PM
Dave.Cox's Avatar
Senior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: GrandPrairie.TX
Posts: 393
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

In most cases, I use a hue/saturation adjustment layer. You can brighten by sliding the lightness slider to the right. Teeth a very commonly yellow. Remove the yellow by selecting yellow in the edit box, and the move the saturation slider to the left. This will remove the only the yellow.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 12-16-2007, 03:56 PM
Enkay's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Canada
Posts: 61
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

For whitening eyes, soft light layer is my go to method..

For whitening the teeth I'll often use the same technique. If they're too yellow I'll use a color correction layer with the soft light layer.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 12-17-2007, 01:12 AM
Mchilly's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 105
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

Usually I mask the parts the needs to be corrected and then play with correcting the color to look it more realistic thats for me the simplest way :-)
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 12-17-2007, 03:28 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Westerville Ohio
Posts: 263
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

A method I use about 90% of the time is to select the teeth using Quick Mask, Feather the selection about 2 pixels and copy to a new layer. Then I do a Levels Adjustment moving the black point of the output slider (left end of bottom slider) to the right about 10-30 units. Works very well. Eyes can be done the same way.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 12-17-2007, 08:37 AM
Senior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,063
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

I sometimes create a selection, copy it to a new layer and then use curves to up the lightness, then paint back in using a mask
__________________
Cass
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 12-17-2007, 03:34 PM
Damo77's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 121
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

Quote:
Originally Posted by duwayne View Post
... select the teeth using Quick Mask, Feather the selection about 2 pixels ...
Duwayne, why are you adding the extra step of feathering? You should just use a soft brush in QM, surely?
__________________
Damien

http://www.bellephotography.net.au/
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 12-17-2007, 03:39 PM
Damo77's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 121
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave.Cox View Post
You can brighten by sliding the lightness slider to the right. Teeth are very commonly yellow. Remove the yellow by selecting yellow in the edit box, and the move the saturation slider to the left. This will remove the only the yellow.
I totally agree. This is the best way to improve teeth in all but the worst cases. BUT ...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave.Cox View Post
I use a hue/saturation adjustment layer.
... don't waste your time with an Adjustment layer. Just loosely select the teeth with Quick Mask and go straight to Hue/Sat. Remember, your Quick Mask doesn't have to be accurate at all, because lips and gums won't be affected by a yellow adjustment.
__________________
Damien

http://www.bellephotography.net.au/
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 12-17-2007, 08:24 PM
Dave.Cox's Avatar
Senior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: GrandPrairie.TX
Posts: 393
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

I don't know why you feel an adjustment layer is a waste of time. It does not take any additional time to do it this way, and by using an adjustment layer, my adjustment is non-destructive. In addition, I can re-open the adjustment and change the setting any time I like, or turn the adjustment off, or even discard it, if I don't want it any more. Ever wish you could undo an adjustment that you did 30, 40, or more steps ago? With an adjustment layer, you can. I rarely make an adjustment any other way.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 12-17-2007, 08:42 PM
Damo77's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Brisbane, Australia
Posts: 121
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

I'm not suggesting Adjustment layers are a waste of time per se. I use them, though not as often as most.

I'm saying that an adjustment layer for teeth is a waste of time. If I used an adjustment layer for every tiny edit that I made, my document would be a quagmire of layers.

Another thing - I'm sick of this "adjustment layers are non-destructive" nonsense. Of course they're non-destructive while the image exists only in Photoshop, but eventually they need to be applied so the image can be used in the "real world" - ie web or printing. At that point, the "destruction" occurs.
__________________
Damien

http://www.bellephotography.net.au/
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 12-17-2007, 10:20 PM
teresavigil's Avatar
Junior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Morro Bay, CA
Posts: 7
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

i tried the davve Cox method today and it was a way quicker more accurate fix on yellow teeth- dave Rocks!
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 12-17-2007, 11:16 PM
DannyRaphael's Avatar
Moderator
Patron
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Near Seattle, Washington, USA
Posts: 5,552
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

I'm another user of method Dave described. I learned it from a Scott Kelby a video borrowed from the library.

re: Layer quagmire potential
I know what you mean, Damo... It happens to me when I get lazy and don't label layers. It's a matter of workflow preferences and in my case wanting assurance I can make adjustments after the fact. I do in fact merge layers at certain points in a project to maintain layer sanity. It just depends.

========

re: whitening eyes
* Add an adjustment layer (makes no difference which kind)
* Change layer blend mode from Normal to Screen
* Ctrl + I to invert the mask
* Airbrush white on mask where needed

Ultimate flexibility with mask; no increase in file size when using an adjustment layer.
__________________
~Danny~

Looking for the IMPRESSIONIST plugin? I can help you find it. Send me e-mail - NOT a Private Message. (Click my name above.)

Support RetouchPRO: - look under Patron FAQ here:
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/faq.php

How to size, upload attachments
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/image-help/9077-size-quality-attached-images.html

* ”If you want a helping hand, you will find one at the end of each arm.” – My Mother.
* ”No rain? No rainbows.” – Seen on a t-shirt on Maui.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 12-23-2007, 09:41 PM
AdamZx3's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NE Ohio
Posts: 191
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

I find the Hue/Sat. method that Dave mentioned gives the most realistic results because it leaves some yellow color in there. While there's no right way this is what works best for me.
As far as selecting, if you use an adj. layer you can click the mask button and paint in where you need the adjustment (much like quickmask) , and you can change that later if you want.

For eyes I use a masked curves adj. layers to click up a curve for eye's and will take the red curve in to reduce any redness in the eye. Also the info palette is a must to determine any color cast in the eye's.

Quote:
Another thing - I'm sick of this "adjustment layers are non-destructive" nonsense. Of course they're non-destructive while the image exists only in Photoshop, but eventually they need to be applied so the image can be used in the "real world" - ie web or printing. At that point, the "destruction" occurs.
I really don't understand the statement, of course there only non destructive in a .PSD file. The purpose of the non-destructive adj. layers is that you can change a curve all day and not hurt the original image data, if you do a Cmd+M and keep adjusting the curves you are changing the image data and losing image data. They make changes possible without any data loss. You make changes in your .PSD file and export to a .jpg, .tiff for output to the web or print.

I love using adjustment layers because here great to come back later and re adjust and re tweak later.Some people don't like em and thats fine, but I wouldn't recommend them being a waste of time.
__________________
Graphic Design Portfolio Here
Aspiring to be a high end retoucher...

Last edited by AdamZx3 : 12-23-2007 at 09:56 PM.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 12-23-2007, 10:42 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: chicago
Posts: 642
Re: What is your method of whitening eyes and teet

Quote:
Originally Posted by Damo77 View Post

Another thing - I'm sick of this "adjustment layers are non-destructive" nonsense. Of course they're non-destructive while the image exists only in Photoshop, but eventually they need to be applied so the image can be used in the "real world" - ie web or printing. At that point, the "destruction" occurs.
no, they don't have to be applied..quite a few ad agencies will only accept psd files as they can be used with indesign without any problems...
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiReddit! Float This Post!Stumble this Post!Google Bookmark this Post!Yahoo Bookmark this Post!Live Bookmark this Post!Share this post on Facebook
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Glamour retouch challenge here!!!! superkoax Photo Retouching 320 04-26-2008 11:22 AM
How to whiten teeth, nails, and eyes Gerald McClaren Photo Retouching 15 09-15-2006 07:52 PM
How To Whiten The Teeth & Eyes Of An Image gho64 Image Help 4 12-02-2003 06:37 AM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:15 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.1.0
Copyright © 2008 Doug Nelson. All Rights Reserved moo