RetouchPRO

Go Back   RetouchPRO > Technique > Input/Output/Workflow
Register Blogs FAQ Site Nav Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Input/Output/Workflow Scanning, printing, color management, and discussing best practices for control and repeatability

Inkjet print longevity

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 11-23-2002, 09:43 AM
KevinBE's Avatar
KevinBE KevinBE is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lake Charles, LA
Posts: 511
Inkjet print lognevity

I found this site several months ago and had my eyes opened. Livick has quite a long history of posts on the Dpreview site concerning print longevity. He became so obsessed with inkjet print archival ratings that he began his own quest to determine exactly how long inkjet prints wouild last.

http://www.livick.com/method/inkjet/pg1.htm

While his testing methodology may or not be up to the best or the most acurate. I can determine that his proceedures are documented and that all of his tests are exactly the same on each type of paper and ink. So, like Wilhelm, the interpolated test results may or not translate to realworld acurate longevity ratings. But, since all the testing methodology is the same, a comparison between the different ink and paper combinations can be made. That is what I have always liked about the test that Wilhelm has done.

What I found very interesting on his site is that he put three dyesub images through the same tests, the results will surprise you.

Last edited by KevinBE; 11-23-2002 at 10:22 AM.
Reply With Quote top
  #2  
Old 11-23-2002, 10:07 AM
jeaniesa's Avatar
jeaniesa jeaniesa is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Colorado foothills
Posts: 1,826
Wow - this is fascinating Kevin. And a good source since the Wilhelm site seems to be under constant construction. (They now have a note that it will be up and running Nov 25, but I'm not holding my breath.)

The only other test I would like to see is against prints made via traditional photographic process. Perhaps I'll send in that suggestion.

Jeanie
Reply With Quote top
  #3  
Old 11-23-2002, 10:33 AM
KevinBE's Avatar
KevinBE KevinBE is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lake Charles, LA
Posts: 511
Hi Jeanie,

I wonder who is doing the work on Wilhelm's site. They must be keying in at least one or two words per day. I can't imagine why it would take this long to re-work a web site.

I would also like to see a comparison between the pigment inkjets and the traditional printing processes. Livick's site used to have several dye ink printer comparisons but he has since changed to testing only pigment ink tests. In fact his original purpose in longevity testing was to determine how long his Canon S9000 prints would last. When the tests came back so poor he began this crusade to find the ultimate archival process.
Reply With Quote top
  #4  
Old 11-23-2002, 12:21 PM
DJ Dubovsky's Avatar
DJ Dubovsky DJ Dubovsky is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Upper Penninsula of Michigan
Posts: 1,659
Hey, good find Kevin. I book marked it for more indepth perusal later on but I like how the tests are coming out for Epson so far. I also have been spraying all my prints with a varnish specifically made for artwork and photographs. They have the inkjet sprays but the cost was ridiculous.
DJ
Reply With Quote top
  #5  
Old 11-23-2002, 01:08 PM
KevinBE's Avatar
KevinBE KevinBE is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lake Charles, LA
Posts: 511
Hi DJ, what sprays are your using? I am planning a big project to print and frame images for Christmas gifts. I've almost decided on what paper I want to use but still looking at frames. I'd like for the images to last for the persons I give them to and have been looking into sprays. There are several different coatings available so I am looking for input as to other users success with a particular product.

Thanks,
Reply With Quote top
  #6  
Old 11-23-2002, 05:37 PM
DJ Dubovsky's Avatar
DJ Dubovsky DJ Dubovsky is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Upper Penninsula of Michigan
Posts: 1,659
Kevin,
To be perfectly honest I haven't done a solar test on the sprays but they sure repell water. I get them at an art store. They're called Blair Coatings Clear Spray. I buy Gloss and Matte finishes and pay about $6 a can. Someone mentioned a spray specifically formulated for Inkjet prints and were paying about $24 a can. I thought that was BS sold at a high price but I can't say for sure. The Blair coatings specifically say for use on all types of artwork and photographs so I figure they should work just fine on inkjet with out the high price tag. As I said though, I can't make any claims for longevity. Here's a scan of the product I use.
DJ
Attached Images
File Type: jpg file0001.jpg (23.3 KB, 31 views)
Reply With Quote top
  #7  
Old 11-23-2002, 05:44 PM
KevinBE's Avatar
KevinBE KevinBE is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lake Charles, LA
Posts: 511
Thanks DJ, I'll give it a try.
Reply With Quote top
  #8  
Old 11-23-2002, 09:42 PM
BigAl's Avatar
BigAl BigAl is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: South Africa
Posts: 497
Kevin, I have some prints under glass that have been hanging on the wall for six years now, with no sign of deterioration (maybe the air here is cleaner ). I also have been testing a commercial laminate, and those also show no signs of deterioration after a year in my rather sunny office.
Reply With Quote top
  #9  
Old 11-23-2002, 09:58 PM
KevinBE's Avatar
KevinBE KevinBE is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Lake Charles, LA
Posts: 511
Hi BigAl, I imagine that your air is cleaner than it is here in Louisiana. I think that I should have no trouble making prints that last. Most tests show that just displaying under glass has a very positive effect on slowing down fading. I am going to try a protective spray just to see what they do to the print.

Thanks for your input. I will be looking for your feedback on your experiences with the commercial laminate.
Reply With Quote top
  #10  
Old 11-24-2002, 12:10 AM
jeaniesa's Avatar
jeaniesa jeaniesa is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: Colorado foothills
Posts: 1,826
Al, Is the laminate to reduce mold harming the photo? I know in Viet Nam every photo that anyone wants to keep for any length of time is laminated because the humidity is so high. They even laminate photos that go behind glass in a frame. The mold would start forming literally within a couple of months if the photos weren't protected!

Jeanie
Reply With Quote top
Reply

  RetouchPRO > Technique > Input/Output/Workflow


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
How long will your inkjet print last? PeteyB Hardware 0 06-15-2007 08:41 AM
Hand coloring inkjet printout skipc Photo-Based Art 7 02-16-2006 11:04 AM
Problem Getting Quality Prints T Paul Hardware 19 03-31-2005 11:38 AM
Print Problems. Jimmy Hardware 1 10-15-2003 01:29 PM
Newbie printing question Doug Nelson Input/Output/Workflow 0 08-08-2001 12:30 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 12:18 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2016 Doug Nelson. All Rights Reserved