Edge Effects

[Nanls]

Would like to know how to get the beautiful edge effects the atist get, like in
Catherine's image.

http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/att...chmentid=26789

~Nancy~

[DannyRaphael]

Nancy...

I split off your question from the other thread so it wouldn't get buried there...

My guess is Catherine used one of Painter's bristle brushes for her frame.

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A simple edge effect you can do in Photoshop is...
* Above your finished "painting," create a new layer
* Fill it with white
* Add a "Hide all" (black) Layer Mask
* Use the Rectangular selection tool to draw a selection to define the edges (about 1/4"-1/2" from each side)
* Select > Inverse
* Edit > Fill > White
* Select > Deselect
* Choose a "rough texture" brush, like Chalk 36 or one of the Spatter brushes
* Turn on the Airbrush setting
* Set foreground color to white
* Start "painting" the edges of the Layer Mask. You'll need to adjust brush size, flow and opacity as you go.

Hopefully the attached example and Layer Palette snapshot will adequately illustrate the concept and final outcome as well as prompt others to make suggestions.

~Danny~

[Nanls]

Lol, Danny,
I thought I lost it! couldn't figure out how I didn't notice I put a title in "edge effects." Thanks for telling me, I would have wondered about it for a while!

I use a similar techinique.. Same but different. On the original I create a layer mask filled with white and then create a new layer under it filled with white. On the layer mask, I use a grundgy brush adjust jitters, spacing, etc. and paint the edges in black, if (when) I mess up on the edge, I switch the brush color to white and go over the places I don't like... a little different way about it but the same effect (see attached),however, the effect is still somewhat different then the edge effect I see done in "painter?" I would think love to know how they do this. I do have painter, but am a complete newbie... just starting playing with it this week.
Thanks for the help. Truly appreciated!
Nancy

[Alcar]

Danny, I really like the painting of the house you used in this thread to illustrate edge art. I presume this was done in painter; I think it's very effective.
Alan

[raniday]

Hi, Nancy. (That's my sister's name )
Old habits die hard, and whatever I do in Painter always ends up back in PS for the final tweaks, and for this one, I had already given it a white border, then used Art History brushes (my favorite tools) to feather the edges. Hope that makes sense.

[DannyRaphael]

Originally Posted by Alcar

Danny, I really like the painting of the house you used in this thread to illustrate edge art. I presume this was done in painter; I think it's very effective.
Alan

Yes, the example was crafted using Painter.

Painter has functionality called "cloning" that works like Photoshop's Art History Brush, but a lot better in terms of brush options and control.

It works pretty well on scenery, architecture and the like, but not so good IMO on people faces... :-)

[cazubi]

Catherine...my full name is also Catherine and I have a sister named Nancy.

I have found some very nice "grunge brushes" for PS that are free, and make great edges, or rough up any surface. I just Googled "grunge brushes". Maybe you could try them out on your border edges.

Cathy

[Nanls]

thanks Catherine, Catherine... well trying everything... and I guess what I really need is practice...argh! This is my second painting with painter. The first one I was horrified to find gup all over it (when I reopened it in PS), that didn't show in painter, then found out "clear impasto" did the trick!
Nancy

[raniday]

Cathy, that's pretty cool, and we even spell "Catherine" the same. (There are several spellings as you know, )and both with sisters named Nancy. I won't go any further. If you have a husband named Jim, it would be getting spooky
Nancy, I'm impressed with your second Painter painting. Wonderful! I mostly added the edges because the photo is so closely cropped, and I wanted a little extra real estate added to it. If you have PSP, there are tons of interesting preset frames online for it. I used to use them but haven't in a long time.

[Janet Petty]

Since I haven't exactly followed this thread closely, forgive me it this has already been mentioned.

Edge effects can also be created by making a selection around the picture and turning that selection into a path. Then you can take any brush, tweak the brush settings to your liking and hit stroke path. If you don't like it, you can always undo and retry.

Janet

[Chance_1]

I thought, I would put my two cents into "How to get a good edge, frame effect".

There are many ways to give your masterpiece a painterly and worthy frame or edge which is not a straight line.

A Photoshop Methodology:

1. The final image is say on layer L10.
2. Make a duplicate of L10, which will now be in L11.
3. In L11, make a layer mask by clicking on the icon at the bottom of the Layers Palette called "Add Layer Mask".
4. When you do that you will have a Layer Mask added in L11 which is white in color.
5. Now create a new blank layer, by clicking on the "Create New Layer" icon in the bottom of Layers Palette. Rename this layer L12, and is now on the top and is 'transparent'.
6. Now fill this layer with yellow or any other color you want your Edge/Frame color to be. Dont worry, if you do not like this color you can change the color later. This is Layer 12 and is on the top of all layers.
7. Now you want to pull the L12 layer down below the L11 layer (the one with the layer mask), so that the sequence of layers from the top are L11, L12 and L10 the bottom layer.
8. Click "inside" the Layer Mask on L11 to make it active so that is where you are painting.
9. From the keyboard, click on the Letter "D", which activates the default colors as Black/White for Foregrond/Background.
10. Now paint with black, by picking a splatter brush or some other non smooth brush with about 45 pixel size, and paint around the outer periphery of the Layer mask, this will make the underlying "Yellow" color come thru. You want to paint in the layer mask, in a painterly non straight line way. One way of doing this, is to use lower opacity at first, and then increase opacity on the second and third passes. If you make an error, you can erase the error by painting with white over the error.
11. Once you are satisfied with the results, Go to Filters > Brush Strokes > Sprayed Strokes and here you can adjust the Stroke Length, Spray Radius and Stroke Direction as needed. You can choose the default first, and then undo it and change the parameters on the next pass. This will give the edges a spattery or shall I say splattery effect, which looks kinda cool.
12. Since the Layer Mask is still active, you can use any other filters you choose, to add more artistic effects that you desire, like Splatter strokes is also a good choice.

13. Finally, if you did not like the yellow color as your edge border, no problem, go to that layer and fill it with the color of your choice, green or blue, or gradient or whatever, and your edge with the splattery brush strokes will show up automatically with the new color.



In Painter, you get even better painterly effects on the edges, due to its vast selection of natural media brushes. You apply the same principles as in Photoshop, and use the brushes, mostly the bristles brushes of Acrylics, Impasto and Gouache for its effects. Please note, that in Painter, you cannot apply the Filter Effects in a layer mask (unlike Photoshop), therefore you have to apply those effects on L12 layer, but such is not needed, as you will be getting those brush effects directly by painting with the appropriate brush in the Layer Mask.

[Swampy]

Originally Posted by Alcar

Danny, I really like the painting of the house you used in this thread to illustrate edge art. I presume this was done in painter; I think it's very effective.
Alan

I'm flattered that Danny liked my photo enough to play with it. :-)

Alcar, Here's the original. Have fun

[Alcar]

Thanks Swampy. I may give it a try myself.
Alcar