Deep Paint Water Color

[Photomaster]

Craig, don't dropplets of water form a sphere as they fall?

[Steve Conway]

I cannot tell a lie, I digitally arted the cherry tree.

George (AKA Steve)

[oyster]

Nancy, yours is the watercolour technique I admire. I'd very much like to read more on your procedures.

Photomaster, I too have spent a lot of time with Deep Paint, and have discovered what you have so fully described (Your post ought to have a "sticky" label slapped on it and placed in the *Tutorials* forum. It would be very helpful for those trying to use the app.) What I can't figure out is the relationship of the "Clone" tab in the upper left of the workspace, and the "Paint" tab right next to it. The instructions get you cloning under "Paint" exactly as you have stated; but what's the use of the "Clone" tab with its specially-loaded brushes? You can set out to clone more quickly under the "Clone" tab, to be sure, but the brushes generate an image more like the photo than a painting. If you want painterly strokes, you have to go to the "Paint" tab and tick "artistic", just as if you had begun under this tab. I suspect there's a feature or two under the "Clone" tab that I can't winkle out, but the instructions are no help. Have you uncovered any secrets hidden under the "Clone" tab?
Oyster

[NancyJ]

Originally Posted by Kraellin

ok, i had another go at this. taking to heart some of nancy's and PM's remarks (and completely ignoring some as well ), i left the warmer tones in this time, hopefully reduced the snow effect, got rid of the sharpening, at least the traditional sharpening (thereby reducing the scan lines) and varied the water drops to give that effect a bit more depth. i also added a bit of motion blur to the water.

Craig, I love it. Its beautiful, its like the first rain of spring bit from Bambi and christmas morning all rolled into one There are a few scanlines in the darker tones but they're hardly noticeable.

Originally Posted by Kraellin

and at the risk of barbing a few on here, one of the things that bugs me, like you're bugged by what you mentioned, whenever a new image is posted in the art area, you can count on at least one or two 'sketches', one or two 'impressionists', one or two 'impasto or smudges' and so on down the line. even the various scripts and actions are named things like 'van gogh' or 'da vinci'. now, i'm not bugged by the pieces themselves; the folks here are incredibly talented. i'm just a bit bugged by the predictability at times; the sort of attitude that the only art is traditional art, 'safe' art.

I'm probably one of the guilty ones there WHat I dislike more, it those that produce the same picture over and over, as talented as they may be and as stunning as the end result, there is a certain predictability about some peoples work, while theres nothing wrong with having a style you're good at and sticking to it, it seems to me theres little need to share it, you've already demonstrated your ability to reproduce x effect.

Originally Posted by Kraellin

that your art teacher happens to like white water colors is fine. it's a bit of a fixed idea on what a water color shld be, but that's fine, that's him. what does nancyj like? and if that is what you like, why ok, but i also know you mentioned wanting to be more 'fluid' or expressive and where i may not have captured your exact words there, i do recall the idea of it. to me, the 'rules' of art arent in the style, but in the technicality. or, like you said, and i mostly agree. there is 'sloppy' art. but i also know of at least one style where all the brush strokes are the same length and same direction and it's a valid style and often quite good.

At school I rarely did as I was told or what I was supposed to and I always had her saying 'how did you do that?' Well I just picked up the paint/pencils and just did it. Its the way I am. But I think at school you're supposed to follow the rules, they teach you that you have to know the rules first in order to break them. A lot of abstract and expressionists can give the impression that they cant paint, if you want to go down that route and be respected as an artist you generally have to first prove that you can draw and paint and that its a stylistic choice rather than a lack of ability.
One of my favorite exam pieces was a silkscreen painting, because I never listened or paid attention I just did what seemed to make sense to me and totally confounded my teacher. With silkscreen we were supposed to draw the outline in some stuff, I think it was called gutta or something like that, anyway then you were supposed to fill in the shapes with blocks of colour using the silk paints. Ofcourse, I didnt know that, I drew the outline then painted it like a watercolour, mixing the paint on the silk and building up layers of colour and shades, it was a very special piece. I guess sometimes not know the rules can be an advantage

Originally Posted by Kraellin

ah well, seems we're back to the age old question again of 'what is art?'. it's a question worth answering.

The age old question, I dont think there is an answer. A more poignant question, I tihnk, is what is photo-based art? Where do we draw the line between photo-manip, retoucing and photo art?

[palms1]

Just to say i have found the chat between you Nancy and Craig quite interesting and informative
Isnt healthy debating a art form in itself ?

Palms

[NancyJ]

Originally Posted by palms1

Just to say i have found the chat between you Nancy and Craig quite interesting and informative
Isnt healthy debating a art form in itself ?

Palms

It is a rare and precious thing online. A healthy debate that hasnt degraded into using any of the words "fag, ghey or nazi"

[Fox54Black]

This Deep Paint program is fun, here's a version done with the Round Oil Cloner.

[Kraellin]

Originally Posted by Photomaster

Craig, don't dropplets of water form a sphere as they fall?

PM, at this point, i dont care if they're square but, as i used to tell others, go out and look

nancy,

Craig, I love it. Its beautiful,

thank you thank you for the compliment and thank you for pushing me to it. and thank you for being honest. i value these things.

At school I rarely did as I was told or what I was supposed to and I always had her saying 'how did you do that?

hehehe, this surprises me not at all. it's the true artists, the good ones, who refuse to always paint within the lines, and normally who could teach the teachers a thing or two and i love hearing bits like this about people here. the silk screen one also

and palms,

i view this whole process between nancy and i more of a coming together of views. i'm wildly undisciplined, overly casual, unschooled and often times downright lazy. nancy strikes me as more of a traiditional style, much more disciplined and having more form and structure. this process, for me, has been more of a trying to see another view, another way, nancy's way, while at the same time conveying something about my way that maybe she could grab onto or had possibly even given up partitially and might want to revisit. so, to me, it's more about breaking our own little boundaries, just a smidgen, and looking at something outside of that. i've learned from nancy here and that's not always easy for me

craig

[Photomaster]

Originally Posted by oyster

I suspect there's a feature or two under the "Clone" tab that I can't winkle out, but the instructions are no help. Have you uncovered any secrets hidden under the "Clone" tab?
Oyster

Check out my Deep Paint Tutorial on this site.

[ydelle]

I downloaded this program from the site you all listed but after I put it into ps I just had a face the said retriving and send - nothing about doing anything with it.
help needed

[Photomaster]

Run Deep Paint as a stand alone program. The interface with Photoshop is too iffy. Go to START, ALL PROGRAMS. Look in the RIGHT HEMISPHERE folder. Click DEEP PAINT to start program. When done working, save your file and reopen in Photoshop.

Good luck!

[NancyJ]

Originally Posted by oyster

Nancy, yours is the watercolour technique I admire. I'd very much like to read more on your procedures.

Photomaster, I too have spent a lot of time with Deep Paint, and have discovered what you have so fully described (Your post ought to have a "sticky" label slapped on it and placed in the *Tutorials* forum. It would be very helpful for those trying to use the app.) What I can't figure out is the relationship of the "Clone" tab in the upper left of the workspace, and the "Paint" tab right next to it. The instructions get you cloning under "Paint" exactly as you have stated; but what's the use of the "Clone" tab with its specially-loaded brushes? You can set out to clone more quickly under the "Clone" tab, to be sure, but the brushes generate an image more like the photo than a painting. If you want painterly strokes, you have to go to the "Paint" tab and tick "artistic", just as if you had begun under this tab. I suspect there's a feature or two under the "Clone" tab that I can't winkle out, but the instructions are no help. Have you uncovered any secrets hidden under the "Clone" tab?
Oyster

Sorry I missed this post Oyster - was caught up in discussion.
The technique is not very difficult but it does not work on every picture...

Duplicate original layer, set blending mode to color dodge, and invert the colours.
The canvas should now be white (or mostly white) filter->blur ->gaussion blur, play around to get the colours in the right places.
You can stop at this point or
Do a very small gaussian blur on the original layer, then filter->styalise->find edges, edit ->fade find edges ->colour burn approx 30% - this should give a wetter look with darker edges in places (where the colour collects at the edge of the water)

[barbara]

I found this interesting thread and made something like
watercolor, I hope..
Photomaster - very nice picture

I used Gimp.

[oltenius]

Acrylic attempt. I dont know what is the number of filters that I used! But I'm sure that is a frame here

[LQQKER]

Interesting thread. Some nice entries and conversation.