Non-tut on Painting

fugitive · #1 07-17-2002, 04:59 PM

but I will do this........................
Portrait of Kate Beckinsale. (one of my fantasy girls)
Made this photo the base image. Put a layer on top and call it painting. Sketch or paint over the image, using the existing colors.

fugitive · #2 07-17-2002, 05:10 PM

In order to pick the colors from one layer and paint on another, you have to juggle the layer opacity, back and forth. I found if you leave the base at 100%, and use the slider on your paint layer, you can affectivlely grab the color, and paint. I can do this fairly fast, but it is a pain, but pain is what it's all about. You have to suffer for your art. Using this technique, you can do all the painting of the skin on one layer. I put eyes on a separate layer sometimes because they need a lot of special attention.
On this piece, I'm using 4 layers for the Hair.
If you look closely enough, sometimes you can see the tonal changes of color and paint it that way. I use the paint in a liberal but careful mannor during this part(see pic)

DannyRaphael · #3 07-17-2002, 06:28 PM

The screen shots and descriptions you provided great insight into your methods, Greg.

As time goes on by all means post as many before / after / screenshots with key concept "non tuts" as you're inclined to craft.

Each will certainly be appreciated by many.

Many thanks.

~DannyR~

(Paintshop Pro, right?)

fugitive · #4 07-17-2002, 10:41 PM

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Originally posted by DannyRaphael
The screen shots and descriptions you provided great insight into your methods, Greg.

As time goes on by all means post as many before / after / screenshots with key concept "non tuts" as you're inclined to craft. Each will certainly be appreciated by many.

Many thanks.

~DannyR~

(Paintshop Pro, right?)

PSP7, P7. I plan on doing more to this.
I can see what interest there is in painting, compared to a stupid plugin filter.

fugitive · #5 07-17-2002, 11:56 PM

I don't know if this looks different, but I've been working on it so it must be. I am working in closer, getting the tones finer and better defined. If any of this is not clear, feel free to ask because instructions are not my forte'.

fugitive · #6 07-18-2002, 11:53 AM

Today I'm doing more fine tuning and blending on the face. I switched over to PS7 because of it's superior tools. I use the Dodge but it wouldn't cooperate. The Photoshop brushes are really great and have a nice soft feel to them, that I don't get with PSP7. I usually do the lips on a separate layer, not this time, as I think I can pull it off.
The eyes are separate so they can be changed, even when it's all done.

Mike Needham · #7 07-18-2002, 04:34 PM

Lovely progression so far Greg, Hair on her chin noe doesnt flow as it did in the original, however, knowing you as I do, I am sure that this will be rectified in coming versions.

It really is a great transformtion and I have been on the edge of my seat waiting fot he next installation, with each installment comes a finer blending

*i would edit mistakes but i consider them art

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fugitive · #8 07-18-2002, 07:32 PM

That's cause there is no hair on her chin. In case I do it differenly, I'm painting it without. I'm still refining the features and skin. This is the most important and takes the longest. Lots of smudging, painting over small areas.
I made the eyes early on because they define the features, and keep me focused by watching me.
Areas I'm not happy with. The chin and jaw. Easy you say!, not so, this is a human being that everyone knows, and it has to be perfect.

fugitive · #9 07-18-2002, 07:38 PM

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Originally posted by Mike Needham
[b]Lovely progression so far Greg, Hair on her chin noe doesnt flow as it did in the original, however, knowing you as I do, I am sure that this will be rectified in coming versions.

It really is a great transformtion and I have been on the edge of my seat waiting fot he next installation, with each installment comes a finer blending

Yeah, well it looks like your the only one. Thank You for stopping by.
greg

Mike Needham · #10 07-19-2002, 08:18 AM

not at all greg, this thread has had over 90 reads - they obviously just lurkin

fugitive · #11 07-19-2002, 09:18 AM

I'm sure the women have been there, a bad hair day. Oh dam, I can't do a thing with it. What's a girl to do.
Well, I have em' too. The difference is, this won't be solved in 30 min. I'm not done with the face, but thought I could work on the hair some. Because of the depth of shades, I'm going to use 3-4 layers, and 2-3 programs, as none is giving me just what I want. I can't tell anyone how to paint or stroke, just the little I know about technique. Although I can't crawl inside anyones head to see what they can see and do, I do think that a person with good to very good skills in a high end graphics prog. could do this kind of picture with a resonable amount of effort. This could be done in Paint Shop Pro, Photoshop, Painter, Deep Paint, PhotoImpact, Corel, etc.
This hair thing is going to haunt me the rest of this day, at least.

DannyRaphael · #12 07-19-2002, 11:09 AM

Magnificent progress from the original photo, Greg. The progressive steps are facinating to me. Keep 'em coming.

RE: Kate and a bad hair day?
Doesn't seem possible.

fugitive · #13 07-19-2002, 06:17 PM

Did some work on lips and chin. Face is coming along nicely. Workin the hair as best I can. My hand doesn't like certain movements, so it's sometimes difficult to get the flow right. I'm using Painter 6 on the hair now, cause I have some hair sets installed, in fact I have one just for Ms. Beckinsale. It has a texture in it and I think it chooses a brush. (don't ask me how it works) As far as Painter brushes, just dive in and practice on adjusting the 5000 settings included. The Brush set I'm using has two color ability, so it's perfect for doing hair. I think this can be done in vs. 7 too. Not in Photoshop, or Paint Shop Pro. So with these programs, you would have to work harder to acceive the effect. Almost looks like we're getting somewhere.
Till next time.

Mike Needham · #14 07-19-2002, 07:31 PM

hehe - I see after much breast beating you have nailed the hair, so to speak. Really is a good job fugitive and the impression of hair strands is greater than the detail. Gotta be chuffed so far

fugitive · #15 07-19-2002, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Mike Needham
hehe - I see after much breast beating you have nailed the hair, so to speak. Really is a good job fugitive and the impression of hair strands is greater than the detail. Gotta be chuffed so far

I don't know CHUFFED. ?

Thanks Mike.