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How is a selection rotated without the image

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Old 11-09-2008, 12:29 PM
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How is a selection rotated without the image

In HP of PE2 pg62 steps 3 & 4 is says to lasso the area to be patched so as to get the right size and then drag the selection boundary to the patch sample area. It then says the boundary, as I understand it, can be rotated, flipped or sized as needed before coping the replacement patch. I cannot figure out how to rotate, flip or re size the boundary without transforming the image it encloses.
I appreciate any advise. Thank you.
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Old 11-09-2008, 01:15 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

Hoover, Welcome to RetouchPRO, enjoy your visits here and feel free to ask many questions and post your work..

Choose Image > Transform > Free Transform. A bounding box with handles appears around the work you're modifying (hold down shift key while moving corner points to maintain ratio) (right click for different, available commands)
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Old 11-09-2008, 03:44 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

Right click your marquee selection & select "Transform Selection".
Again right click & you will open a context menu with a manipulation selections.
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Old 11-09-2008, 04:10 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

Thanks for the welcome and reply.Yeah, I've tried what you've suggested along with every combination of alt, ctrl, and shift but the image always moves with the bounding box. What I'm trying to do is rotate the bounding box only, not the image inside of it. As I understand it from the book, I should be able to bound a shape around that which I'm intending to paste over and then drag that shape to somewhere else, rotate it as needed, then select copy, paste and move it on it's own layer while undoing the previous rotations and then fit it back where it's needed.
Thanks again, I do appreciate any suggestions that will help me get a better understanding of the process.
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Old 11-09-2008, 04:26 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

You didn't try it?
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Old 11-09-2008, 04:41 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

Yes I tried. Right clicking in PE2 get only gets Free Transform. After selecting that and right clicking again it gives the options of Free Rotate Selection along with scale, perspective, skew, and distort. Selecting Free Rotate Selection also moves the image - I only want to rotate the bounding box.
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Old 11-09-2008, 05:25 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

Does PE2 have a Select menu? Transform selection?
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Old 11-09-2008, 05:39 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

Transform is under the Image menu in PE2 and it manipulates the bounding box and the image. I only want to maneuver the bounding box - shift it on its axis after it has been designed around the area I intend to patch. I want to take that shape that I've defined and take it somewhere else and turn it a bit so that it fits the area I want to capture as the replacement patch.
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Old 11-09-2008, 06:12 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

I don't know of a way to manipulate the bounding box the way you describe. When I want to patch an area in that manner, I simply grab the area I want to bring in, copy it to its own layer, add a black mask to hide it, then paint back with white just the shape I want to insert. If I need to see more of the underlying layer in order to paint accurately, I temporarily lower the opacity of the upper layer.
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Old 11-09-2008, 06:44 PM
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Re: How is a selection rotated without the image

Thanks TommyO, Mr. Lynch's Correcting BY Duplication topic in chapter 3 was just a wild goose chase for me then because the process apparently doesn't exist in PE2. He left out the exact steps that need to be taken if indeed it can be done as he suggest. I'll move along now to chapter 4 and not get stuck on this anymore. Thanks again.
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