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Old 03-03-2017, 08:27 AM
petersweden petersweden is offline
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Re: Composite - feedback appreciated

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As always, look up lots of reference images. Go on google images. Look at several hundred. Look at them while you work. Pick up details about them. Without doing that, you really don't learn much.
Good advice I tend to forget this. Would you say this is a good workflow?
1. Come up with idea for composite
2. Make rough sketch
3. Find suitable background image
4. Analyze how background image is lit
5. Try to emulate the backgrounds lighting in studio, try to match perspective (angle, camera height, choice of lense)
6. Shoot model
7. Look up lots of similair reference images how lighting interacts between model and background
8. Start compositing
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Old 03-03-2017, 08:31 AM
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Unfortunately this is the workflow I have been following

1. Come up with idea for composite
2. Set up a lighting I think will fit my idea
3. Shoot model
4. Find background image
5. Try to match model with background
6. Get frustrated
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Old 03-03-2017, 01:46 PM
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There is a great DVD by Erik Almas. He does this sort of photography.
Your steps are correct.
You choose the idea, and you chose the angle/light or at least one thing if you are a photographer. If you have an image of the model, then you shoot the backdrop if you can't find one, Or, if you have a backdrop but not a mode, then you shoot a model. Etc.

I can analize in depth what is wrong with this image, but here are a couple of points:
Perspective. If she isn't on top of a mountain or on top of a wing of a plane, the paratroopers would come from above, at lest the one nearest to her. Lighting on the legs, the things you've added to make them glow. CGI looking rain.

Listing them won't help you because all those elements can work, but not together on this particular image.

Maybe try re-creating samples, then move onto the original ideas once you've had a good practice? At least that way you know right away if things fit or not.

EDIT: Blend in gray areas and fix the mask and move on. It's not fantastic, but it's not the worst thing ever. You'll have a finished file.
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Old 03-03-2017, 02:14 PM
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Re: Composite - feedback appreciated

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Good advice I tend to forget this. Would you say this is a good workflow?
1. Come up with idea for composite
2. Make rough sketch
3. Find suitable background image
4. Analyze how background image is lit
5. Try to emulate the backgrounds lighting in studio, try to match perspective (angle, camera height, choice of lense)
6. Shoot model
7. Look up lots of similair reference images how lighting interacts between model and background
8. Start compositing
This is a reasonable high level idea. It's important to recognize when you are stuck and refer to reference material. It helps you learn the nuances of what constitutes a reasonable approximation.

Shooting the model is a big commitment. I would start without worrying about the model. Learn to build up a background from scratch. I admittedly have a difficult time doing so. I'm also out of practice right now. If I knew I would need to do such a thing in the near future, I would start practicing.

Your background image can be a combination of different images. You can significantly alter bits to fit your narrative. I'm merely suggesting that you break things down into manageable components, use smaller adjustments, and compare to other material as a type of sanity check.


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Unfortunately this is the workflow I have been following

1. Come up with idea for composite
2. Set up a lighting I think will fit my idea
3. Shoot model
4. Find background image
5. Try to match model with background
6. Get frustrated
This does not surprise me. I would spend more time working on the background at first. I might sketch the model out. Your problems aren't terribly uncommon.
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Old 03-04-2017, 01:41 AM
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There is a great DVD by Erik Almas. He does this sort of photography.
This one? https://rggedu.com/products/erik-alm...ion-composites
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:05 PM
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That dvd is quite expensive. This isn't exactly the same thing, but matte painting has a lot of similarity to building up backgrounds. You can find demonstrations of that on youtube. I cringe a little when the narrator in the first mentions multiply and screen blending modes (especially screen), but even he suggests caution with them.

They aren't really exciting, but they aren't bad either (and they're free).

Digital matte painting tutorial


Painting a digital landscape


Matte Painting for beginners
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Old 03-04-2017, 07:04 PM
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Oh, he has two now. The one I've seen trailers for had a beach scene with a camel, a girl on the pier of a boat house and a star gazer. Maybe all of those are in this DVD?

It was this one
https://www.slrlounge.com/official-r...by-erik-almas/

It's not like it's a Holly grail or anything, but it definitely has a lot of good tips, and you can see how things are made. Again, I haven't watched it start-to finish but it seems good. I posted a link to an actual review.

Also, maybe Kelby has some tutorials on compositing(I never followed him so I have no idea), and creative live probably has content on the topic as well. And make sure to check out retouchpro youtube channel as well as other youtube channels, there is a lot of free content out there! There was also this website phlearn.

Almas
http://acuities.erikalmas.com/
Kelby
https://kelbyone.com/
phlearn
https://phlearn.com/
creativelive
https://www.creativelive.com
RetouchPRO
https://www.youtube.com/user/RetouchPRO

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Old 03-06-2017, 02:45 PM
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Thanks for all the suggestions. I will be sure to check them out.
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