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Old 02-27-2004, 12:28 AM
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Question Mask around trees

I hope you'll give a newbie a little assistance.
I'm faced with a number of pictures where I want to mask the sky but the line of demarcation is filled with fir trees. The magic wand masks most of the sky but there is always the bits within and among the trees that is not masked. Is there a way to effectively include this within the mask as well?
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Old 02-27-2004, 12:44 AM
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Welcome to retouchPro!

Try Select>Similar or

Control-Alt_~ to select highlights, then remove land areas from selection. You can save the selection then go to the channels window/pallette, you will see your selection as a black and white image. Touch it up there then load your refined selection and do your mask magic.

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Old 02-27-2004, 12:52 AM
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Welcome to retouchPro!

Try Select>Similar or

Control-Alt_~ to select highlights, then remove land areas from selection. You can save the selection then go to the channels window/pallette, you will see your selection as a black and white image. Touch it up there then load your refined selection and do your mask magic.

Roger
Thanks Roger, I'll give it a try just as soon as I figure out everything you said.
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Old 02-27-2004, 01:04 AM
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You are welcome Don - and as to me being the able to write as if i understand what i am thinking of and so being able to communicate what i think you are thinking of for looking at a way to complete the process ... (tongue firmly in cheek or hanging)

point is that the reason I am a photographer is that i am a visual person and I have always struggled with written communication - don't feel shy about asking for clarification on anything, I won't take it wrong.

If you could, what are trying to do with this mask?

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Old 02-27-2004, 01:37 AM
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You are welcome Don - and as to me being the able to write as if i understand what i am thinking of and so being able to communicate what i think you are thinking of for looking at a way to complete the process ... (tongue firmly in cheek or hanging)

point is that the reason I am a photographer is that i am a visual person and I have always struggled with written communication - don't feel shy about asking for clarification on anything, I won't take it wrong.

If you could, what are trying to do with this mask?

Roger
Roger, I think you misunderstand; it's not your inability to communicate it's my inability to comprehend. That having been said, I just tried the technique you suggested, or actually a variant of it, and it seems to work. I still want to try your full technique and will, probably tomorrow.

As to what I'm trying to do...
Often I find that I have a mountainscape that is devoid of clouds. The only way it is salvagable is to add a tint to it or see if a different sky might work. Invariably there are great numbers of trees against the skyline that must be dealt with.

The next issue I'm faced with, and one I have not yet solved (hint), is, given a new sky, is there an effective technique to reflect it in a body of water? I find this particularly difficult when there are other objects (plants, trees, etc) the obscure part of the water surface.

Anyway, hope I communicated well.
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Old 02-27-2004, 06:23 AM
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It sounds like your sky might be a good candidate for Select>Color Range. Alternatively, you can copy the treeline to another layer, pump up the contrast with curves, then copy and paste it in as a layer mask back on the trees layer.
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Old 02-27-2004, 11:55 AM
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Doug's suggestions sound even easier

Here are a couple past threads that include creating reflections ...
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-art-101/6798-water-reflection.html
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/rp-tutorials/6833-group-created-tutorials.html

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Old 02-27-2004, 03:05 PM
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Doug's suggestions sound even easier

Here are a couple past threads that include creating reflections ...
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/photo-art-101/6798-water-reflection.html
http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/rp-tutorials/6833-group-created-tutorials.html

Roger
Thanks so much for the responses Roger and Doug. I'll try these out tonight.
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Old 02-29-2004, 09:54 AM
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Thanks so much for the responses Roger and Doug. I'll try these out tonight.
Here's the result of what I was trying to do. If you don't think it works, please let me know. I value your suggestions.

http://www.lightfantasticphotography...ient=landscape
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Old 02-29-2004, 10:57 AM
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pretty photo

I often have the same problem with the tree line... before flattening the layers you might try a small soft eraser set at 50% or so to soften the edges of trees that are troublesome...

more often I try to find a replacement sky with nice clouds that can be positioned so that the tone matches the original at the tree line... this way I don't need to erase as much detail. adjustments can me made until you see the "line of demarcation" fade away... if then the sky is too bland you can use the stamp tool set on multiply to bring in more detail... either before or after flattening the image.
like other things... this sometimes works.

I'd guess the flowers were more troublesome then the tree line... looks good tho.
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