Here is My attempt No.1
Please tell me what you think. There is no point doing too much if I’m going in the wrong direction.
How is the scale?
Do I need different trees?
How is the colour?
How is the mist?
As for the colours, its hard to say at this point. You have to imagine this area as covered with *thick* rainforest almost entirely, pretty much like in raccs pic. Thus very few of the colors now present in this landscape will been visible in the final.
Ideally, A2 is 'draped' over B entirely, leaving only the steep slopes of the boulders looking out. If I had the area as a 3D model, my first try would be to drape it with A2 (or similar) compeltely, to see how that looks. Next, I would use slightly more detailed material as i approach the foreground. Intuitively, I try to follow this approach with PS.
As for the mist, since the scene is nicely divided into slices by the hillsides, i dont worry about that too much yet. I worry more how to get the mist OUT of A2, so i have more options for my cloning.
As for the different trees, as i said, its a box of pandora.
Theres over 400 species of trees alone on a single ha, not counting whats growing ON them and around them. Im quite convinced that this botanic madness can only be shown in abstract terms, or from an adequate distance.
Although it does look good, a 'Jequitiba monoculture' can't do it, unfortunately.
Its a good start, since J. trees are emergents and stick their tops out of the rest of the canopy, so once we find a good canopy cover, we can add an occasional J. tree. But without that canopy, and in groups, J trees contribute little in terms of realism.
I had my own go with this.
For *me* -for now- the center of interest is to learn how to skillfully paste *entire forests* over landscapes. Thus, the lake and the 2 palms, beeing closer in the foreground, protagonists if you will, in my eyes represent an unwanted 'additional problem'.
I percieve them as a trap, since, besides of the lake beeing obviously man-made, they invite work on the level of individual trees, which opens yet another technical abyss (at least for me).
Too bad for me, cause i did not really notice that when choosing the motive.
I liked the boulders and the other distant stuff and got off on that.
Note theres also the option of cropping the original to get rid of the lake and the foregroud alltogether, but since were working on it together, I tried to tackle the problem. The first was to find out what my options were to play down the lakes importancy or even hide it if I deem that necessary later on. I googled, got some closer distance forests and played with their colours, until i felt safe that the foreground issue will be somehow manageable.
Next, I tried to divide the rest of the landscape in layers, hillside by hillside, and to experiment with adding canopy structures and textures i found at google. I searched for colours inside the original as a guide, to which i tried to adapt the paste material.
I want credible mid-distance and long-distance rainforests, and so i need to worry about structure and variation. Im very unexperienced in color matching etc. in PS, and so that took a while.
I guess the more distant parts will be easier.
I have some hopes that adding a final haze layer will harmonize the colors.
Sorry this msg became so long again, but, hey, I try to do my best.
Last edited by doonee; 08-21-2005 at 05:30 PM. Reason: grammar grammar grammar
ah yes, craig, and heres what came out of my go at raccs pic so far.
i left some of the clone material layers open so you can see what i use.
I need to learn how to adjust colors better, and i need to find out how to make myself a 'canopy brush', so i can paint forest edges my easily.
looking good. i dont know all the tools in PS, but i know they have some sort of color balance adjustment layer. you might try that. you could also mask areas and then apply the color balance. in paint shop pro i have a couple of handy brush tools that i could use, hue up/down, saturation up/down, and lightness up/down. but i dont know if PS has those or not.
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