Photo restoration replace clothes pls help

[sergio2263]

Hello All,

I hope someone would be able to help me i've seen what you guys can do in the restoration challenges with torn photos i am restoring an old photo but the gent jacket is very discoloured and torn beyond repair i wonder if there is a way of replacing the jacket altogether instead of using heavily with the clone tool.

any reply would be much appreciated.

many thanks in advance


regards


sergio

http://www.pbase.com/mstmart

[sergio2263]

Hello All,

I hope someone would be able to help me i've seen what you guys can do in the restoration challenges with torn photos i am restoring an old photo but the gent jacket is very discoloured and torn beyond repair i wonder if there is a way of replacing the jacket altogether instead of using heavily with the clone tool.

any reply would be much appreciated.

many thanks in advance


regards


http://www.pbase.com/mstmart

[Frank Lopes]

Can you post what you got so far?

Originally Posted by sergio2263

Hello All,

I hope someone would be able to help me i've seen what you guys can do in the restoration challenges with torn photos i am restoring an old photo but the gent jacket is very discoloured and torn beyond repair i wonder if there is a way of replacing the jacket altogether instead of using heavily with the clone tool.

any reply would be much appreciated.

many thanks in advance


regards


http://www.pbase.com/mstmart

[Alison]

Hi Sergio,

Can you point us to the image please

[sergio2263]

Hi Frank and Alison

Many thanks for your replies much appreciated. I will try and post the photo I have already started on the photo as you would see but not happy with the results i would prefer instea of cutting the jacket is to fix the whole thing or replace it.

Any tips of what i can do would be greatly appreciated.


Many Thanks

Regards

Sergio

[ktg222]

The jacket in the original image looks to me to be an in-camera vignette effect by the photographer. I think it is part of the charm of the photo. Also, the jacket is part of the fashion of the times. I would not try to change it out.

I think your restoration is too contrasty. You have lost detail in the jacket and shadows. Back it off a bit. Nice job on the cloning work.

If I were restoring this I would make a sepia version also

k

[Kraellin]

replacing the suit is a bit of a problem. it can be done if you find the right match, but that could take longer than the cloning you're trying to avoid. and, no matter what you replace it with, it just wont be the original and i tend to try to stay with the originals as much as possible.

my suggestion would be to do your work as you have been and just clone it down as far as is reasonable (you'll have to decide how much that is) and then just treat the rest as an unfinished image, much the same that you see oil paintings sometimes where it looks unfinished but was done so intentionally.

the third option that comes to mind would be to do a little grafting. you make selections of appropriate areas of the good parts of the suit and paste them into the damaged areas. this can also be quite tricky and requires that you have some idea of how the full suit looks and that you can find the appropriate parts from the rest of the image. you rebuild the areas and it doesnt have to be exact during the cut and paste. you follow up with some cloning and airbrushing to make it look more correct, if need be.

but, in this particular case, where there isnt even a decent edge left in the bottom third of the image, i'd prefer to treat it as the unfinished oil. the exception to that being if you can find one channel that does have more data in it, then simply work with that channel and do a normal restore.

[sergio2263]

Hi ktg222 and kraellin,

Thank you both very much for the advice and tips I will follow both examples and see how it goes the photo is far from finish i shall keep working on it until i am satisfied.

Thanks


regards


sergio

[Flora]

Hi,

sergio2263,

Originally Posted by ktg222

....looks to me to be an in-camera vignette effect by the photographer. I think it is part of the charm of the photo. Also, the jacket is part of the fashion of the times. I would not try to change it out.

I think your restoration is too contrasty. You have lost detail in the jacket and shadows. Back it off a bit. Nice job on the cloning work.

Agree in all points... and, IMO, when restoring old images, replacement of parts of it should be done only when there is no alternative.

If cloning or healing/patching (from Photoshop CS) result too tedious, Craig gave you a great tip: grafting...

Another way could be cropping or, like I did, increasing the size of the vignette so it looks more 'done on purpose' instead of giving the impression of being faded.

P.S. I also straightened the picture...

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by Flora

Hi,

sergio2263,

Agree in all points... and, IMO, when restoring old images, replacement of parts of it should be done only when there is no alternative.

If cloning or healing/patching (from Photoshop CS) result too tedious, Craig gave you a great tip: grafting...

Another way could be cropping or, like I did, increasing the size of the vignette so it looks more 'done on purpose' instead of giving the impression of being faded.

P.S. I also straightened the picture...

Hi Flora

Thank you very much for your thread and for taking time in working on the photo much appreciated your version certainly is better than my version i am still getting use to using photoshop i have photoshop cs2 i wonder perhaps if it is too powerful for me but i sooner dive in and practice with it instead of using other editing sofware, grafting is very new to me first time i've heard of it shall googling for tutorial about grafting i have very much to learn good job i am practicing on friends and family photos.

thanks again

regards


sergio

http://www.pbase.com/mstmart

[unimatrix001]

gave this a shot... used the patch tool mostly on the jacket.

[Kraellin]

nicely done, flora that's what i was talking about in the 2nd idea. you simply put into a picture what i didnt communicate so well in words.

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by Kraellin

nicely done, flora that's what i was talking about in the 2nd idea. you simply put into a picture what i didnt communicate so well in words.

Hi Kraellin

well i thought you communicated well and gave me some useful tips.

many thanks

regards

sergio

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by unimatrix001

gave this a shot... used the patch tool mostly on the jacket.

Hi unimatrix001

Thank you for your time and effort on my image much appreciated you've done a great job the jacket look new and neat. I will post my version of restoration of the image when i finish it.

many thannks


regards


sergio

http://www.pbase.com/mstmart

[DCobb]

Just wanted to do this for practice.

dc

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by DCobb

Just wanted to do this for practice.

dc

Hi dc

Thanks for your effort and interest in the above photo you've done a great job restoring it.

regards


sergio

[Kraellin]

you're welcome, sergio

also, i shld mention, i do like your fix of the tears/rips. very nicely done there!

also, you may not find too much in a search on the word 'graft', at least not as it applies to what we're talking about here. so, just ask any questions you may have about it.

Grafting: the action of taking part of an image and cutting and pasting it to another part of the same or another image.

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by Kraellin

you're welcome, sergio

also, i shld mention, i do like your fix of the tears/rips. very nicely done there!

also, you may not find too much in a search on the word 'graft', at least not as it applies to what we're talking about here. so, just ask any questions you may have about it.

Grafting: the action of taking part of an image and cutting and pasting it to another part of the same or another image.

Hi kraellin

Many thanks for your reply I've googled about grafting i am afraid haven't had much luck would you mind showing me how it's done or direct me to a tutorial about grafting as mentioned i am new to photoshop which i found very powerful tools so many possibilities i've yet to try a few at least lol.

Thanking you

regards


sergio

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by DCobb

Just wanted to do this for practice.

dc

Hi DC

Sorry for the long delay in replying to your thread just found your post. Thank you very much for your interest in my photo and for your wonderful try much appreciated you've done a great job.

Thanks


regards


sergio

[Kraellin]

sergio,

i'm using paint shop pro xi. but, it shld be fairly similar in photoshop, if you're using that. simply outline the part of an image you want to 'cut out' or copy. the tool for this in psp is the 'selection' tool. it has several modes in psp. you can 'select' a part of an image with a square or do a 'point to point' or a 'freehand'. the instructions for using this shld be in your graphic editor's manual.

so, let's say you wanted to select a single leaf off of a tree. you would use one of the methods i mentioned, like the point to point mode. you would essentially trace the leaf. when done, you would copy it, control-c in psp. this puts that selection into what is called the 'clipboard'. the clipboard is simply a piece of memory allocated for saving bits and pieces temporarily. you can then call that piece of memory, your selection, back and 'paste' it anywhere you want, as a new image, onto your current image or onto another image, anywhere within that image.

so, essentially, that is 'grafting'. you are grafting one part of one thing into or onto another location. it's really just a select, copy, paste.

and again, for more specifics, check out your manual of whatever graphic package you are using. my explanation may not be exact for your editor.

[Peter S]

I thought I needed the practice as well.
Not finished but I'm tired right now, and work tomorrow.

Peter

[grannysdc]

The tool in Photoshop for grafting Available in versions 7 and up
is Patch tool:
This tool is what you would want to use if your image has torn clothes, or stains, or holes in walls, or blemishes etc. This is very similar to the Healing Brush tool except with the patch tool you can define a selection where you want the effects applied.
http://photoshoptips.net/2005/09/09/patch-tool/

[Kraellin]

there ya go. that's even better. thank you, granny

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by Kraellin

sergio,

i'm using paint shop pro xi. but, it shld be fairly similar in photoshop, if you're using that. simply outline the part of an image you want to 'cut out' or copy. the tool for this in Paint Shop Pro is the 'selection' tool. it has several modes in psp. you can 'select' a part of an image with a square or do a 'point to point' or a 'freehand'. the instructions for using this shld be in your graphic editor's manual.

so, let's say you wanted to select a single leaf off of a tree. you would use one of the methods i mentioned, like the point to point mode. you would essentially trace the leaf. when done, you would copy it, control-c in psp. this puts that selection into what is called the 'clipboard'. the clipboard is simply a piece of memory allocated for saving bits and pieces temporarily. you can then call that piece of memory, your selection, back and 'paste' it anywhere you want, as a new image, onto your current image or onto another image, anywhere within that image.

so, essentially, that is 'grafting'. you are grafting one part of one thing into or onto another location. it's really just a select, copy, paste.

and again, for more specifics, check out your manual of whatever graphic package you are using. my explanation may not be exact for your editor.

Hi Kraellin

Thank you very much for explaining clearly about grafting. I am sorry for the very long delay in reply to show my appreciation of your post. I afraid I don't don't visit retouchpro as often as I would like to because I am very busy with work,kids,animal etc.

Whenever I get a chance it is nice to come for a visit and pick up very useful tips from you experts.

Thanking you

Best Regards


Helen

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by Peter S

I thought I needed the practice as well.
Not finished but I'm tired right now, and work tomorrow.

Peter

Hi Peter

Thanks for your interest in my photo, you have done a great job. Pls excuse my very long delay to show my appreciation i'm afraid I don't get to come and visit here very much.

Thanking you

Best Regards


Helen

[sergio2263]

Originally Posted by grannysdc

The tool in Photoshop for grafting Available in versions 7 and up
is Patch tool:
This tool is what you would want to use if your image has torn clothes, or stains, or holes in walls, or blemishes etc. This is very similar to the Healing Brush tool except with the patch tool you can define a selection where you want the effects applied.
http://photoshoptips.net/2005/09/09/patch-tool/

Hi grannysdc,

Thank you very much for explaining about grafting please excuse my delay in replying, I appreciate your message which is valuable to me, you guys are very helpful.

Thanking you

Best regards


helen