RetouchPRO

Go Back   RetouchPRO > Technique > Photo Restoration
Register Blogs FAQ Site Nav Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read


Photo Restoration Repairing damaged photos

1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

Reply
 
Thread Tools
  #11  
Old 07-12-2008, 05:10 PM
jim.orrell jim.orrell is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 6
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

my pleaseure:

http://img194.imagevenue.com/img.php..._122_496lo.jpg
Reply With Quote top
  #12  
Old 07-12-2008, 07:12 PM
crazyfly1's Avatar
crazyfly1 crazyfly1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Colorado Springs Co. USA
Posts: 733
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

I took a quick try at it. Multiply layer, screen layer and masked back in light areas. Shadow highlights with a high radius on shadows to bring i shading and high contrast. Hi pass sharpen.
Not the best that can be done. It's a fun image to work on, I may give it another try later.
Oh forgot black and white filter and then lens filter put origional tint back.

Oh, and about your scan. You saved at a resolution of 800 ppi. That isn't nessacary. The best your printer might be able to print is 360. You could cut the file size in half.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 6lo.jpg (96.7 KB, 55 views)
Reply With Quote top
  #13  
Old 07-12-2008, 11:42 PM
0lBaldy's Avatar
0lBaldy 0lBaldy is offline
Senior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,580
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

Jim thanks for the color version.. as I stated above "check the channels first and see which ones have the most detail " this is just the Cyan channel in CMYK mode with a levels adjustment.. a larger version is <here>

How to copy CMYK Cyan Channel into RGB layer (the way I did it anyway!):
With colored layer version selected.. selected Image>Mode>CMYK Color
Select Channels menu
selected the Cyan channel..
Ctrl+A (select all), then Ctrl+C (copy) then back to top and select CMYK to highlight them all.. then back to the layers menu
Shft+Ctrl+N (new Layer) Then Ctrl+V (Paste) the cyan channel should now be copied into the new layer
Image>Mode>RGB (back into RGB Mode)
It looks like a good place to start your restoration.. Sooooo, Continue restoration..

A large PSD showing ALL 10 different channels with levels adjustment applied is <here> on Rapidshare (click "Free" then wait) when time is up follow instructions.. (83752KB) 80MB Looong download time!!
Attached Images
File Type: jpg CMYK-Cyan_Channel.jpg (92.2 KB, 50 views)

Last edited by 0lBaldy; 07-13-2008 at 03:44 AM. Reason: edited info
Reply With Quote top
  #14  
Old 07-12-2008, 11:56 PM
Craig Walters's Avatar
Craig Walters Craig Walters is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: somewhere over there
Posts: 8,786
Blog Entries: 4
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

ok, NEVER wipe your old photos with anything!

hi jim, and welcome to RP

as ol baldy said, make a good scan of your photo BEFORE doing any cleaning attempts!

use canned air (the kind without the oil lubricant in it) or use a VERY soft brush such as a very fine, soft lens brush and if you use the brush rather than the air, dont press down very hard.

in the event that you wash the photo, do NOT wipe it off. again, use the canned air (or equivalent) to blow it off. even a soft brush is not recommended if you've used anything wet on the surface of the image.

the older the photo, the more important these things are. you might think because you can wipe a new photo off with no problem that the same would be true with an older one. nope! ok, most folks already know that, but it needs to be said anyways papers, emulsions, and yes, even tintypes lose cohesion to each other with age. emulsions peel, get eaten by fungus, get loaded with dust and dried out to flaking by the sun and lack of humidity (yes, a little humidity can actually be good for a photo if it's always exposed to the air).

paper types varied throughout the history of photography. some werent even true papers and some were metal or glass. emulsions also varied. to be truly safe in cleaning, if you're not a conservator, find one and get a professional cleaning or at least a consultation on what can be done.

i am NOT a conservator! so, anything your conservator says take that over anything i've said!

judging from your image posts my guess is you've got both dirt and a tiny bit of surface damage. the damage doesnt appear to be very bad yet, but definitely keep your fingers off and do not wipe with anything. air or brush only and when i say 'air' i dont mean a tornado blast from a high powered air compressor
Reply With Quote top
  #15  
Old 07-13-2008, 01:04 AM
crazyfly1's Avatar
crazyfly1 crazyfly1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Colorado Springs Co. USA
Posts: 733
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

I tried again. Pretty much same as before only with different settings.
I reserve the right to try again .
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 6lo.jpg (98.4 KB, 38 views)
Reply With Quote top
  #16  
Old 07-13-2008, 01:12 AM
pixelzombie pixelzombie is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: chicago
Posts: 1,098
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

Quote:
Originally Posted by jim.orrell View Post
This is better than the original greyscale scan, as suggested I scanned in colour, and converted to greyscale. The detail is better on this, but nowhere near the original print. The problem with the scan is easily seen where dark meets dark. e.g. dark suit meets dark backcloth. The original has real definition around the suit. I'm sure it's not my scanner as on other photos I have no problem getting the detail.

Thanks for all your help, I've learnt a lot already.
if it's a one of a kind print, spend the money for a scan from a high-end flatbed scanner, you will be astounded at the difference...
Reply With Quote top
  #17  
Old 07-13-2008, 01:16 AM
Craig Walters's Avatar
Craig Walters Craig Walters is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: somewhere over there
Posts: 8,786
Blog Entries: 4
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

you're running a little dark there, crazyfly, on both of them. the guy's suit is blending into the background. try a levels, curves or brightness/contrast adjustment layer.
Reply With Quote top
  #18  
Old 07-13-2008, 02:18 AM
crazyfly1's Avatar
crazyfly1 crazyfly1 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Colorado Springs Co. USA
Posts: 733
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kraellin View Post
you're running a little dark there, crazyfly, on both of them. the guy's suit is blending into the background. try a levels, curves or brightness/contrast adjustment layer.
I agree. It's tuff trying to take out the sivering but not darken the suit too much. I'll try again tomarrow.
Reply With Quote top
  #19  
Old 07-13-2008, 05:14 AM
0lBaldy's Avatar
0lBaldy 0lBaldy is offline
Senior Member
Patron
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 3,580
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

Jim, because this is only a small cropped sample of the original I did:
no cloning
no healing
no sharpening

I used the magenta channel and Imagenomic Noiseware Plugin at the default settings on the first..
and used the Cyan Channel with Imagenomic Noiseware, default also, for the second..

(there is a community edition of Noiseware that is free and a stand alone.. <here>)

Hope this helps!

~Magenta~ Cyan ~
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Magenta_channel_ImagenomicD.jpg (98.8 KB, 28 views)
File Type: jpg Cyan_ImagenomicDefault.jpg (98.4 KB, 36 views)
Reply With Quote top
  #20  
Old 07-13-2008, 05:57 AM
jim.orrell jim.orrell is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 6
Re: 1940 B&W photo, dark detail will not scan

Again, thanks for the suggestions. I'm afraid some of the techniques are beyond me at present, but it will give me some practical ideas for training.

Jim
Reply With Quote top
Reply

  RetouchPRO > Technique > Photo Restoration


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My photo enhancement software Christofur Software 7 03-15-2008 02:23 AM
Red stains in B&W twins photo cristiano007 Image Help 16 01-28-2008 09:41 AM
Photo Restoration/Retouching sreejas Classifieds 0 01-18-2008 10:54 PM
Moisture in frame caused blue tinge in photo SnapCount Photo Restoration 2 12-19-2007 09:41 PM
Need help removing blotchy stains from B&W photo jeaniesa Image Help 28 08-25-2001 10:41 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:39 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO ©2011, Crawlability, Inc.
Copyright © 2016 Doug Nelson. All Rights Reserved