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Old 02-06-2012, 06:11 AM
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Question Too far gone to fix?

Hello everyone, first of all I'd like to say thanks to everyone on this forum who has posted help, advice and guides: thanks. I'm a long time lurker, but a first time poster - so go easy on me

Anyway, the core question is this, with reference to the photo in the below link, can it be adequately re-coloured to reasonable standard or is it just too far gone?

I’ve personally been trying to fix it and have been playing around with the levels (Image-->Adjustment-->Level) using a RGB image, the result can also be found following the link.

Unfortunately, as you’ll see my attempts are amateur at best. So if the photo is fixable and anyone has got some suggestions/wants to offer some help, it would be much appreciated.

As a closing thought, I’m far from being anywhere near to a pro with Photoshop (as you’ll have seen from the link ), but I can follow instructions

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Old 02-06-2012, 07:05 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

The original colours in this photo is gone, and if you want it in colour it would have to be recoloured by hand. This is hard to get looking good imho.
You could try to boost the image heavily using Curves + Vibrance/Saturation to figure out what some of the original colours were.

Personally I would restore this to black and white/sephia and skip restoring the colours.
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Old 02-06-2012, 07:44 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Thanks for the reply Chain - It's a downer to hear that the colours have gone and Black/White is the likely way forward.

Does anyone else have an alternative view or wants to give (the same) second/third opinion?

Either way,
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Old 02-06-2012, 10:28 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

I made it a sepia.
Heal
Lightly color
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:15 PM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Thanks Cupcake - It's nice to see some color back in the old photo.

I'm guessing your diagnosis is the same Chain, it's too far gone?
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Old 02-06-2012, 12:31 PM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

It would take a lot of time and patience...but it could be done.
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:38 PM
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hawkeye60 - how?
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Old 02-07-2012, 12:41 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

youll have to select different parts and on a different layer add the color you think they would be and blend it to the original image.
(not saying it will be easy)
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:07 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

The photo is very easy to colourise I shall upload a colourised sample.


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Old 02-07-2012, 02:35 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

here is colored version
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Old 02-07-2012, 02:40 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

I've done a quick example sorry I don't have much time just to show it can be colourised.
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Old 02-07-2012, 04:55 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Hi,
I've just launched my new website www.marthasdarkroom.com and I'm trying to get awareness going. I could have a look at this for you for free as a test image. Just go to my site and use the upload form to send me the image and I'll sort it for you as a freebie. All I ask is if you're happy with it maybe you could write a sentence testimonial that I can add to the site. Thanks
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:14 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

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Hi,
I've just launched my new website www.marthasdarkroom.com and I'm trying to get awareness going. I could have a look at this for you for free as a test image. Just go to my site and use the upload form to send me the image and I'll sort it for you as a freebie. All I ask is if you're happy with it maybe you could write a sentence testimonial that I can add to the site. Thanks
No need to hijack another thread - feel free to post your link and invitation for a freebie here: http://www.retouchpro.com/forums/your-website/
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:59 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Sorry, wasn't intentionally hijacking a thread, just offering help with his picture.
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Old 02-07-2012, 07:59 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Big thanks to forum users "Dataflow" (added a watermark or is that squiggle part of the damage?) and "sergio2263" for their help so far. If you do get more time, I'd love to see the results (and I'd be happy to put something in your PayPal tips jar).

Apart from seeing the photo come back to life, it's just so great that you people are willing to help a stranger. Thanks again.

MarthasDarkroom: Okay, I'll take you up on your offer and will post the results.
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:52 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Image received, thanks, its an easy clean up job, the difficulty will be to bring back the colour convincingly. Its pretty far gone, it may as well be in mono. It will be fun to give it a go though, thanks for giving me a good test to work on and being the first person to use the upload form. I'll work on it tonight and hopefully email it back to you tomorrow.
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Old 02-07-2012, 01:24 PM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

here is the final
http://3ddataflow.com.au/stuff/arbf342o-color.jpg

if you wish to give me something for it here is my paypal (you dont have to)
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Old 02-07-2012, 08:04 PM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Wow, I tried to convert to jpg and place in camera raw to edit, maybe Lab, but could not get the color...checked the photo with eyedropper and it was to blown out.. I liked the idea of converting to b/w and color it.. What was driving me crazy is to know the croc is green and I could not do anything.. so new at this..
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:53 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

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Image received, thanks, its an easy clean up job, the difficulty will be to bring back the colour convincingly. Its pretty far gone, it may as well be in mono. It will be fun to give it a go though, thanks for giving me a good test to work on and being the first person to use the upload form. I'll work on it tonight and hopefully email it back to you tomorrow.
James
I agree bringing back the original colour is far gone but the photo can be restored and re-colourised in full. Most b/w or loss colour photos can be brought back to colour in full.

please see examples of my work b/w colourised in full.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/



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Old 02-08-2012, 12:55 AM
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here is the final
http://3ddataflow.com.au/stuff/arbf342o-color.jpg

if you wish to give me something for it here is my paypal (you dont have to)
Dataflows paypal
You've colourised the photo in the old fashion tinted way perhaps try to get the skin tone off their clothes. The colours seems to have spread all over the place.
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:41 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

The hardest thing to do convincingly are flesh tones, look at most colour ups and they look very odd. Its best to be subtle with the flesh tones. It works better on older photos, photos that were never colour can be slightly more forgiving. Modern faded photos are far harder to do. I'm working on this at the moment and the flesh tones are difficult. I'll give it a go though but I'll also do you a nice tint as this will give the best overall result. If you email me your address I'll post you a couple of 6x4s too.
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Old 02-08-2012, 10:38 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

This is the colour version Ive been playing with. Its too far gone to do a convincing job so I tried to just add a splash of colour here and there so it stills keeps the dated look. I think just keeping this in mono or with a tint will give the best finish.

Thanks
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:02 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

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This is the colour version Ive been playing with. Its too far gone to do a convincing job so I tried to just add a splash of colour here and there so it stills keeps the dated look. I think just keeping this in mono or with a tint will give the best finish.

Thanks
James
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Your colourised have a sepia tint to it when I colourise I do it in mind of how the people will look in real life these two chaps are of course Caucasians and they appear to be quite fair in their appearances that's how I would colour them.
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Old 02-08-2012, 11:08 AM
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Thanks for the reply Chain - It's a downer to hear that the colours have gone and Black/White is the likely way forward.

Does anyone else have an alternative view or wants to give (the same) second/third opinion?

Either way,
Thanks.

Mrtiff_SE
I disagree this photo can be colourise in full.

here are some tutorials the primary colour is the tutorial I use to colourise my b/w photos. Most black and white or sepia photos can be colourise in full.

http://www.worth1000.com/tutorials/1...ation-tutorial

http://www.worth1000.com/tutorials/1...ary-colorizing

hope this helps.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:21 PM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Just looked at my pic on the monitor at home and its really dark.

Come on Sergio2263, you can't tell me this looks natural
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/

maybe for a pumpkin

I'm not a fan of colourising images, some work but most don't look so good and a nice B&W or a subtle tint will still look great.

James
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:22 PM
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Sorry, I meant this one.....nice work on the clothes but the fleshtones are bad.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/
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Old 02-09-2012, 01:54 PM
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Dataflow = A big Thank You . I’ve tried above Paypal link, but it doesn’t work (I get a ‘timeout’ message – anyone else get the same problem?). Anyway, if you can confirm/repost the correct link, I promise, you’ll find a little something in there ready for the weekend.


Nazca13 = Please do post your results if you get any further and thanks for trying.


Sergio = Your work on those other photos (in the above links) is pure magic - I applaud your skill . This must be more than an hobby for you….? Oh yeah, cheers for the guides as well. I would (of course) love to see your attempt at bringing back this photo from the dead….


MarthasDarkroom = Thanks to you to as well. I’ve given you a “big shout” recommendation on Facebook and shared your details with my Facebook Friends. My one line, pithy review for your website is: ““I thought my treasured memory photograph was too sun damaged to be restored, especially, to its formal colour glory, but MarthasDarkroom were not only able to bring back the colour, they offered an excellent service and the stunning results speak for themselves - thanks!””.

Guess I’ll stick to writing the marketing material, and leave the photo work to you, Sergio and Dataflow.
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Old 02-10-2012, 12:25 AM
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Dataflow = A big Thank You . I’ve tried above Paypal link, but it doesn’t work (I get a ‘timeout’ message – anyone else get the same problem?). Anyway, if you can confirm/repost the correct link, I promise, you’ll find a little something in there ready for the weekend.

Guess I’ll stick to writing the marketing material, and leave the photo work to you, Sergio and Dataflow.
here this link should work hopefully

Datflow's donation link
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here this link should work hopefully

Datflow's donation link
Yeah, that works. As promised, you'll find something in your account for the weekend. Have a couple of beers on me friend and thanks again...

Cheers,
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Old 02-10-2012, 11:57 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Here are the final versions.
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Old 02-20-2012, 11:33 AM
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Just looked at my pic on the monitor at home and its really dark.

Come on Sergio2263, you can't tell me this looks natural
http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/

maybe for a pumpkin

I'm not a fan of colourising images, some work but most don't look so good and a nice B&W or a subtle tint will still look great.

James
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If you are not a friend of colourising images then why offer it as a service. You need to have a great interest and understanding about colourising images before you give an opinion. Whilst I understand it is hard to bring old black and white images to good as new but I try to achieve as close as I can get.

I shall introduce you to a great colourist who inspired.

http://www.pbase.com/vhansen/image/96561939

Another thing try study caucasian skin tones faces are not one colour there are several colours. Please put your colourise work for critiques so you'll know how far you've got with your colourising because in my own opinion you have a long way to go with your colourising of black and white images.

You are going to disagree with me because you are charging for your services but I am proud to say I have improve much more with my colourising and have many very good critiques most of the times.


helen

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Sorry, I meant this one.....nice work on the clothes but the fleshtones are bad.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/1472188...n/photostream/
I am afraid you do not know what real skin tones looks like put your colourise next to a colour photos and see the difference. That flesh tones are more realistic than your copper colour skin tones perhaps I need to tweak it here and then adding some yellows that should do the trick.
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Old 02-22-2012, 08:36 AM
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

Fleshtones are, to me, the easiest to accomplish if you can balance your yellows and magentas. The two children in the Flickr image just need a boost of yellow to counteract the pink. As for James' attempts, they seem half-hearted regarding this project.
I'm not sure if he is working layer to layer or just trying to put everything on one, but there is no depth at all.
I would ask the OP if the original negative could be found (I'm guessing "no") and scanned. It is quite possible there never was any color to this and that it is actually a black and white that went sepia with age.
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

I was able to extract some of the colors after applying some filters and adjustments, as you can see in the first image, I then tried to do some re-coloring to even out the pants, and sky, as well as the red on the shirt
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Nice work Jeremy!
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Re: Too far gone to fix?

I saw all the colorization's of this photo which by the way are all very good thought i would try my hand at it.
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wow, amazing result, compliments
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