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Old 06-16-2013, 12:03 PM
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The link lead me to a 600kb JPG, not a 6Mb PNG, but I have tried anyway.
It did not work as well as usual. Apart from the image quality it seems that the shadow effects produce a color that in this case is so similar to the pencil markings that even the color deconvolution plug-in has a hard time separating them.
Still, check it out and make sure you get some knowledge about what could be there (family names etc), and do try tracing bit by bit as well.
Enjoy your forensic exploration!
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Old 06-17-2013, 02:23 PM
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I did some more work on the full image with the color deconvolution plug-in, and it really is a bit better.
Knowing more about the history surrounding this item you should be able to make out some more text!
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Old 06-17-2013, 03:22 PM
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Thank you, 4N6site! The "color de-convolution" plug-in did make a substantial improvement in readability of the 6MB PNG file that I sent you. I don't know what the words mean, but I will send the image to the individual who owns the Bible and hope he understands them.
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:15 AM
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Re: Unreadable Handwriting in Old Family Bible

Sorry I lost track of this thread.
Looked at it again and think I can read a bit more.
But I have not been able to get the 6MB .png file through the imgur link.
Is it just me or is there only a jpg file?
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Old 12-15-2014, 05:33 AM
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Re: Unreadable Handwriting in Old Family Bible

OK, apparently I did work on that already. Just stared a bit more at it now. Keep in mind all of this could just be fantasy, and once I mention words you will start seeing them even if maybe they were never there:

Jesse Webb the father
... ... ... ...
and not a much
Respected man he
... John Jacob Astor

That last name is a very famous one, but up to John Jacob A... it seems to be pretty clear. Is it possible with the time this thing came from?
Would love to hear more about this!
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Old 12-15-2014, 10:40 AM
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Re: Unreadable Handwriting in Old Family Bible

Just want to add that if you upload a large file (I think the limit is 1 MB) to imgur it will recompress it with JPEG. So a lovely 6 MB file will become a medium-quality JPEG.

If you need to share a full-quality original, that should be done somewhere else.
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:45 PM
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Re: Unreadable Handwriting in Old Family Bible

An old thread I had not seen.

I agree with 16 bit lossless scans to start with. Probably could have pulled out the information.

4n6site - Any chance you are going to do plugins for the Mac. That color de-convolution as well as some of your other plugins could come in real handy for me.

BTW - here is my take on the words looking at your image. I have had to do this for other genealogy research.

Jesse Webb the father
Of ... ... ... wife
Ana and a much
Respected man he
Is. John Jacob Cortez

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The blanks are probably 1 maybe 2 other family names.
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Old 02-01-2015, 12:54 AM
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Re: Unreadable Handwriting in Old Family Bible

[QUOTE=Chain;316459]If you could scan it and save it to a lossless format (NEVER EVER JPEG! It damages the image.)

Could you please explain what you mean by never save it as a jpeg, it damages the image. Not to sound dumb, but I have not heard that before. Thanks
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Old 02-01-2015, 04:05 AM
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Re: Unreadable Handwriting in Old Family Bible

See below. Original image compared to a jpegged version which shows 'tiling' - artefacts that are now a permanent part of that file. (Lowest quality jpeg setting applied to make the point). Imagine what happens to the detail in an image when people start jpegging jpegs - it's like making a photocopy of a photocopy. Often, in cmyk printing the screen dot 'rosettes' disguise the tiled pattern and all is well. However, when retouching files, the ambiguity of the detail makes it difficult to discern clear edges (e.g. for masking purposes) or to remove unwanted details.

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Old 02-01-2015, 04:30 AM
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Re: Unreadable Handwriting in Old Family Bible

As repairman demonstrated; JPEG reduce quality when saving and this can be problematic when you need to do further editing.

Reducing quality is the main reason why JPEG can produce such small file sizes with photographic images. It essentially throws out information/data so it is easier to compress. It does this fairly intelligently, by reducing the quality of the least visible things first (shadow details, blue channel, etc.).
However, if you need to edit the image, this quality loss will become a lot more apparent, it complicates editing and you might notice that crucial detail has been lost.

So only save a *copy* as JPEG *after* editing. The small file size is great for sharing the file, uploading online, etc.
If you need to do further editing, do that on the non-jpeg original.
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