The dictionary seems to class retouch and touch up the same, however I have always used the terms slightly differently.
I would say “I touched up the marks” or “I touched up the eye”
But I would say “I retouched the print”
I have always thought of ‘touch up’ as a repair and ‘retouched’ as improvements.
If ‘touch up’ is the same as ‘retouch’ we could rename the site to ‘TouchupPro’ which really would bring a whole new meaning to it.
I think the problem we are all having is in deciding just what we can do with a competition image. If we say that it would be ok to add highlights to the eyes etc. in a ‘retouch’ then where do you stop? The boundaries would again become blurred.
Maybe we need some New Words.
We could have for instance Retouch_RPLevel_1, Retouch_RPLevel_2 etc. Then we could have some very clear boundaries on their meanings. This would move any nitpickfeats from the Competition forum to the Glossary forum if there were any ambiguity.
Take, for example the Nov Competition. The babies dress looks to me like it was originally grey and then coloured green. Should we leave it Green or should we take it back to the original grey.
Also the rattle. Is it OK to delete it or move it? And what if the rattle had been a dummy (soother/passifier?). No professional photographer would leave that in. But in the strict sense of a Restore it would have to stay.
With very clear definitions to the new words all these ambiguities would be removed.
Also by using some new words we would not be in conflict with the dictionary and it would be clear that they were meant in our context at RetouchPro.
Ken, thanks for an interesting post.
That way "Retouch" would have a slightly broader meaning. For me, it would still exclude full make-overs. But then again Doug might still persuade me otherwise.
Retouch: To remove imperfections from or add improvements to an image;
Cosmetic Retouch: To produce an improved photographic version of the original scene;
Glamour Retouch: To produce an optimised photographic image, based on the original scene;
Pageant Retouch: To produce an optimised stylised image, based on the original scene.
photographic = looks real; stylised = not photographic.
I think we’re on the right track
Garazon has suggested some more
I don’t see the rush to create all these though. They can be created as and when they are needed.
TPaul could have some fun here by creating new ones. (eg. Restore_Portrait)
And she could intervene if she wanted. The next time a restore_Portrait contest came along then TPaul could take a quick look at the ‘Standard Rules’ and then make a qualifier ie “for this months contest use restore_Portrait but you may also change the background”
Regarding the Definition.
A spreadsheet could be used to remove any ambiguity. (it could be added as a download)
Remove Texture – Yes
Colour Correct - Yes
Replace background – No
Add Frame – Your Call
I do not think I have ever seen a nitpicking question. All I have ever seen are questions trying to get this sort of clarification.
Although I haven't posted here in some time, I've been mulling.
Trying to eliminate the specifics, and leave just the fundamental - I came up with this....
I'll post this at the start of the thread, but all suggestions are very welcome.
If you are talking about an old photo that has been damaged or whatever, then retouching is what we do, however if it is a portrait that I have just taken and the subject is looking at it with me, we NEVER retouch, we always ENHANCE.
To have to retouch means that there is something wrong with the subject. To enhance means that we are just going to make the subject look better than they already do!
I realize that the above has nothing to do with what you are talking about, just thought I would throw a little garbage into the game
And the reason that it exists is that the exact word that is central to this site can mean different things to different folks.
I can see your point, enhance is a nicer way to describe the process to a client (even more so if the subject of the image IS the client).
But on the other hand, I could argue that the work that you will do is actually a retouch. So it would follow that, in a community of fellow retouchers, we don't need to be so nice with each other (although, thankfully, we usually are!)
Likewise the term "enhance" (which is on the glossary wish list) will usually mean (to us around here) a more general adjustment to the image - less focused on wrinkles, spots and creases.
Usually when I am showing the client the image, it has not been printed yet so creases, spots or whatever are not a factor. So we enhance that good looking subject to make it look just a little bet better!
But I agree, when we are talking within ourselves, then retouch is a much more understood term that has been in use for a great many years. In fact we some of our customers use the term "retouch." And they seem to know what they mean by it when they are talking about their faces.
However when customers bring me an old print to work on, they usually do not use the term retouch instead they seem to not know what to call it, so I get terms like "magic" or "whatever you do to make it look good".
Anyway, nice thread.....
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