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Old 02-24-2006, 03:13 PM
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Thanks Craig & Skyarcher!

LonK, nice work on the carpet.
Have to agree with Craig about the violet cast, although it may not be so much of a cast, but rather that all of the clothing seems to be a shade of plum (violet). That color would be fine for women's clothing, but not sure if it was available in men's.

One thing that really detracts from the photo is the background. There appears to be some color banding, in a sort of rainbow effect, and in general too smooth.

A good excercise for those doing colorizing: open a color image. Duplicate the image and close the original. Now desaturate your duplicate, and colorize it. When you've finished, bring up the original, and compare. You'll quickly see what needs to be modified in your coloring technique.
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Old 02-24-2006, 08:00 PM
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I'm almost afraid to post my two cents worth on the colorizations because the detail work is very good. The color of the boy's shirt is pretty much spot on. I'm guessing as a fiber artist that the shirt (based on what I can see of the weave) is linen. Unless linen is bleached, the color is usually blond, just like the picture. Good job.

On the woman's dress in the second colorization...Dyes at the time this picture was taken would not be those colors of purple; and if purple at all would be more muted and/or earthy, such as produced by logwood. Aniline dyes (coal tar) were not invented until 1856 by an English chemist named William Perkin, who created a color he named mauve. Her dress is most likely a subdued black, dark brown, or dark blue. But then again, I might be wrong. Mauve was a very popular color once it caught on with the general populace.

I know. I know. Too much information and none of it very relevant.

Keep up the good work.

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Old 02-25-2006, 09:16 AM
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More colors

I just get this pic of my wife's parents, very damaged.

I'll clean all and make a new pic, but just for fun, I wish to see if someone can guide me with the colors.

I was thinking on doing it b/w, but now that I see your job, I'll try to colorize like you guys.
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Old 02-25-2006, 11:19 AM
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i looked at your work at little closer today. it really is an excellent job. but i thought i'd try and put my money where my eye is and try some of the things i mentioned regarding your work.

it didnt take long to realize that the image itself has some problems, the main being that it's a bit too small for great detail work. the reason i say this is that there are a number of 'jaggies' in the various lines within the image. this is often due to not having enough pixels to work with and the lines just dont anti-alias and dither very well. a smoothing/softening/blurring brush can help there. so that was one of the first things i did. i also used the same brush to blend the gentleman's beard into his skin a bit and the same on his head hair along with a few other places. this reduces the stark contrast down a bit.

i also desaturated her blouse and skirt quite a bit; not fully, but mostly. this was done with a selection and the hue/saturation filter.

i also added a bit of texture back into the skirt and the man's suit. this was done with a selection and 'add noise' filter.

i added a bit more shading into the woman's face for more contrast, but reduced the shading in the man's face a bit. i wanted more consistency between all the facial shadings across the boards. they just didnt seem to match up, one to the other. i somewhat used the boy's shading as a reference.

i also clone fixed one small area in the carpet where it was blurred.

i also sharpened all the eyes just a bit.

i also lightened the man's suit and the woman's skirt a bit and just a tiny bit of the boy's where it was the darkest. this seemed to be more in line with the original lighting.

i did leave just a tiny bit of violet in the woman's clothing. i did this on purpose as blacks tended to never be true blacks with dyes in clothing. they tended to be very dark purples, but this may not be correct in this case. so, i just guessed.

the work is 98% yours and again, i think it's an excellent job. when you get down to this point you can see from the various comments others have made that a lot of opinion starts entering in, including mine. you can see in the forums with the various challenges and contests that if 16 folks work on the same image, there will always be differences. so, always bear that in mind, including my opinions and choices here.

and also bear in mind that we here in this forum tend to be perfectionists, or at least strive for that and are generally far more observant and therefore critical, than any client. had you obtained the original from my mother, for example, and then shown her the before and after, she would have gone, "Wow!" and nothing more so, frankly, i've loved your pieces and do hope you continue. you've got the knack.

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Old 02-25-2006, 06:00 PM
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More great comments and observations, folks. It's very much appreciated.

Kraellin: You can certainly be as nit-picky as you want. You do make some valid observations -- some things I'd never even considered. I'll gladly accept your grade of A-. After all, I'm just a hack.

Vikki: That is excellent advice for budding colorists -- desaturating an existing color photo, then re-color it. I had thought about that, but frankly, have never actually done it. Might make a good thread, eh?

Janet Petty: Your knowledge of fabrics must be a great asset. I started this thread to get a cursory knowledge of such things. I've learned a lot, but still am trying to collect more visual resources for this type of thing.

studioj: How about doing your restoration on that photo of your wife's parents, then bringing the image back for colorization discussion? I'm thinking a date would be most helpful.

Kraellin: Yeah! Put up or shut up! (Just kidding) I like what you did with the old man's face/beard/hair. That does look more natural. The rest of your tweaks I could take or leave. I have no problem with any critique. Generally, if someone offers, I can differentiate between genuinely useful advice and subjective opinion. Also, many aspects of this discussion can be attributed to minor differences in equipment and calibration. I often check my stuff on many different systems and the display can be quite different, especially when very subtle colors are being compared. I use a dual monitor system (one LCD and one CRT). No matter how hard I try to calibrate and match them, there's always a slight difference. It's just a fact of life.

klassylady25: NO, No, no. Don't be discouraged. Reread the last paragraph of Kraellin's post. Know that some of the pros here can be quite brutal. I don't think they mean to denegrate anyone's efforts or be patronizing. From what I've experienced overall, they'll respond at a level commensurate with how they perceive your skill level. Jump in head first. Learn as much as you can from their experience.

I'm on to my next challenge. "I'll be back..."
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Old 02-25-2006, 11:02 PM
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To address the "frustration" aspect of following techniques.......I've seen many tutorials and instructions for different techniques that are quite convoluted, and often incorrect. It's no wonder there's frustration and confusion. I recommend getting Katrin Eismann's books, and working through her tutorials. You'll find almost everything you need to know. Once you've mastered ALL of her tutorials, you'll find you may not need the others, but if you do want to try them, you'll be better equiped.

Well, I had to color this image, to see what it was that was bothering me about the coloring. What I think is, there is too much NeatImage.
I've used it on this version, but not as heavily, and not with the sharpening within NeatImage.
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Old 02-25-2006, 11:08 PM
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Thanks vikki for your suggestion. I just bought the book a few weeks ago , have done a few tutorials and it is a wonderful book. I think the frustration also comes from wanting so badly to be able to do work we see posted here. I see a lot of people come and go and wonder why? Maybe they get frustrated too..but I always come back if just to see what is going on for postings. Neb
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Old 02-26-2006, 05:59 AM
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Hi Neb and KlassyLady

I do understand how you feel.
Reading the tutorials here at RP is a good start but it is not enough just to read them. You actually need to DO them and then, if you get stuck there is a discussion thread where you can post your questions.

You could do the same here in this thread. If you want to learn to colourize then there are good tutorials here
And here

And the one Flora and Vikki prefer is here

Try them all and choose the method you prefer. Try them on Lonk’s picture and if you get stuck then post your questions in this thread. Someone will always help.

As Lonk has said. Teaching is difficult. But you will always find someone who will help with a specific point.

Vikki’s suggestion of Katrin Eismann's books is a good one. These books are excellent. Especially the first one.’Restoration and Retouching’.

Whatever you do. Don’t give up. The more you do then the easier it comes. Try pictures from older threads and see if you can replicate the work. You don’t need to post the results. Just try ‘em.

Hope this helps.

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